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Neil Paine
Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 774 Location: Atlanta, GA
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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Added WARP file to the list.
The method is to replace a player (on an otherwise average 2007 team) with a replacement -- a player with 95.0 ORtg/16.0 %Poss/107.5 DRtg. These values were obtained by looking at the lower 20% of players (in terms of minutes) in every league from 1996-2007. "Skill curve" usage effects (as seen in my team-projection method) were used for the player's teammates when comparing him to the replacement -- so high-usage players "help" their teammates have a higher ORtg by giving them better shots. All stats were normalized to a 106.3 ORtg environment. WARP is the difference between the otherwise-average team's wins with the player and its wins with the replacement.
"Value" is a representation of a fair salary for the player (based on WARP) in 2006-07. Base salary was $750,000; every additional WARP was worth $1,500,000. Here are the most valuable regular seasons since 1978:
| Code: | Rk Player Year Team Min WARP Valuation
1 Michael Jordan 1988 Chicago Bulls* 3311 21.20 $32,550,000
2 Michael Jordan 1996 Chicago Bulls* 3090 20.51 $31,515,000
3 Michael Jordan 1991 Chicago Bulls* 3034 20.37 $31,305,000
4 David Robinson 1994 San Antonio Spurs* 3241 20.02 $30,780,000
5 Michael Jordan 1989 Chicago Bulls* 3255 19.86 $30,540,000
6 Michael Jordan 1990 Chicago Bulls* 3197 19.05 $29,325,000
7 Shaq O'Neal 2000 Los Angeles Lakers* 3163 18.79 $28,935,000
8 Kevin Garnett 2004 Minnesota Timberwolves* 3231 18.53 $28,545,000
9 David Robinson 1996 San Antonio Spurs* 3019 18.49 $28,485,000
10 Michael Jordan 1997 Chicago Bulls* 3106 18.47 $28,455,000
11 Tim Duncan 2002 San Antonio Spurs* 3329 17.95 $27,675,000
12 Dirk Nowitzki 2006 Dallas Mavericks* 3089 17.93 $27,645,000
13 Michael Jordan 1992 Chicago Bulls* 3102 17.92 $27,630,000
14 David Robinson 1995 San Antonio Spurs* 3074 17.73 $27,345,000
15 Michael Jordan 1993 Chicago Bulls* 3067 17.44 $26,910,000
16 David Robinson 1991 San Antonio Spurs* 3095 17.25 $26,625,000
17 Charles Barkley 1990 Philadelphia 76ers* 3085 17.18 $26,520,000
18 Michael Jordan 1987 Chicago Bulls* 3281 17.03 $26,295,000
19 Karl Malone 1997 Utah Jazz* 2998 16.91 $26,115,000
20 Shaq O'Neal 1994 Orlando Magic* 3224 16.87 $26,055,000
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Mountain
Joined: 13 Mar 2007 Posts: 1527
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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DW have you correlated your WARP derived values to actual salary in any way?
Perhaps focusing on most recent season(s) and non-rookie contracts, particularly longterm ones that presumably are value calls moreso than just market prices at that time would yield interesting results. Wonder how the WARP value/salary ratios look for players with similar WARPS but either Above average Offensive ratings or Above Average Defensive ratings or Both. Is the GM bias toward offensive performance evident using this approach and throughout the data or are least the best defenders getting pretty fairly rewarded these days? |
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Neil Paine
Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 774 Location: Atlanta, GA
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Mountain wrote: | DW have you correlated your WARP derived values to actual salary in any way?
Perhaps focusing on most recent season(s) and non-rookie contracts, particularly longterm ones that presumably are value calls moreso than just market prices at that time would yield interesting results. Wonder how the WARP value/salary ratios look for players with similar WARPS but either Above average Offensive ratings or Above Average Defensive ratings or Both. Is the GM bias toward offensive performance evident using this approach and throughout the data or are least the best defenders getting pretty fairly rewarded these days? |
I don't have salaries in a database, so no -- but those are all great project ideas for the future. Maybe others will pick up the torch, since I uploaded the WARP database!
Anyway, to explain why WARP came about: I just wanted an "all-in-one" representation of player value using Dean's system, and I pretty much felt like "player wins" as defined in BoP were inadequate because the way "player games" were calculated was arbitrary. Also, the old WARP method I used during the season was just an extension of that inadequacy, because it relied on pW-pL. But I think WARP (version 2.0) solves a lot of those problems, because it places the player within the context of a team and a five-man unit (love those skill curves!). And for per-minute aficionados, I also included WARP rate, which is "WARP per 36 minutes". |
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Mountain
Joined: 13 Mar 2007 Posts: 1527
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 2:01 am Post subject: |
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| Thinking a little further about my suggestion, I sorted the 118 on the list that earned a $6+ million WARP based value and found 71 over 110.3 on Offensive Rating and 47 below. On Defensive rating only 37 were 102.3 or below while 81 were higher / less strong, with a league rating at 106.3 making the groups 4 points better than average. Among the players with highest value, strong offensive players are more common but that is to be expected as Offensive Rating tracks the individual and has more likelihood to exceed the average than this team stat based Defensive Rating does. To assess pay for offensive vs defensive qualty evenly, alternative more individual player focused defensive measures DCS or defensive adjusted +/- would be preferrable. (The fair salary work at 82 games for the 05-06 season is an existing database for value/cost trend analysis.) |
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