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Neil Paine



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Added WARP file to the list.

The method is to replace a player (on an otherwise average 2007 team) with a replacement -- a player with 95.0 ORtg/16.0 %Poss/107.5 DRtg. These values were obtained by looking at the lower 20% of players (in terms of minutes) in every league from 1996-2007. "Skill curve" usage effects (as seen in my team-projection method) were used for the player's teammates when comparing him to the replacement -- so high-usage players "help" their teammates have a higher ORtg by giving them better shots. All stats were normalized to a 106.3 ORtg environment. WARP is the difference between the otherwise-average team's wins with the player and its wins with the replacement.

"Value" is a representation of a fair salary for the player (based on WARP) in 2006-07. Base salary was $750,000; every additional WARP was worth $1,500,000. Here are the most valuable regular seasons since 1978:

Code:
Rk      Player          Year    Team                    Min     WARP    Valuation
1       Michael Jordan  1988    Chicago Bulls*          3311    21.20   $32,550,000
2       Michael Jordan  1996    Chicago Bulls*          3090    20.51   $31,515,000
3       Michael Jordan  1991    Chicago Bulls*          3034    20.37   $31,305,000
4       David Robinson  1994    San Antonio Spurs*      3241    20.02   $30,780,000
5       Michael Jordan  1989    Chicago Bulls*          3255    19.86   $30,540,000
6       Michael Jordan  1990    Chicago Bulls*          3197    19.05   $29,325,000
7       Shaq O'Neal     2000    Los Angeles Lakers*     3163    18.79   $28,935,000
8       Kevin Garnett   2004    Minnesota Timberwolves* 3231    18.53   $28,545,000
9       David Robinson  1996    San Antonio Spurs*      3019    18.49   $28,485,000
10      Michael Jordan  1997    Chicago Bulls*          3106    18.47   $28,455,000
11      Tim Duncan      2002    San Antonio Spurs*      3329    17.95   $27,675,000
12      Dirk Nowitzki   2006    Dallas Mavericks*       3089    17.93   $27,645,000
13      Michael Jordan  1992    Chicago Bulls*          3102    17.92   $27,630,000
14      David Robinson  1995    San Antonio Spurs*      3074    17.73   $27,345,000
15      Michael Jordan  1993    Chicago Bulls*          3067    17.44   $26,910,000
16      David Robinson  1991    San Antonio Spurs*      3095    17.25   $26,625,000
17      Charles Barkley 1990    Philadelphia 76ers*     3085    17.18   $26,520,000
18      Michael Jordan  1987    Chicago Bulls*          3281    17.03   $26,295,000
19      Karl Malone     1997    Utah Jazz*              2998    16.91   $26,115,000
20      Shaq O'Neal     1994    Orlando Magic*          3224    16.87   $26,055,000


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Mountain



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DW have you correlated your WARP derived values to actual salary in any way?

Perhaps focusing on most recent season(s) and non-rookie contracts, particularly longterm ones that presumably are value calls moreso than just market prices at that time would yield interesting results. Wonder how the WARP value/salary ratios look for players with similar WARPS but either Above average Offensive ratings or Above Average Defensive ratings or Both. Is the GM bias toward offensive performance evident using this approach and throughout the data or are least the best defenders getting pretty fairly rewarded these days?
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Neil Paine



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mountain wrote:
DW have you correlated your WARP derived values to actual salary in any way?

Perhaps focusing on most recent season(s) and non-rookie contracts, particularly longterm ones that presumably are value calls moreso than just market prices at that time would yield interesting results. Wonder how the WARP value/salary ratios look for players with similar WARPS but either Above average Offensive ratings or Above Average Defensive ratings or Both. Is the GM bias toward offensive performance evident using this approach and throughout the data or are least the best defenders getting pretty fairly rewarded these days?


I don't have salaries in a database, so no -- but those are all great project ideas for the future. Maybe others will pick up the torch, since I uploaded the WARP database! Wink

Anyway, to explain why WARP came about: I just wanted an "all-in-one" representation of player value using Dean's system, and I pretty much felt like "player wins" as defined in BoP were inadequate because the way "player games" were calculated was arbitrary. Also, the old WARP method I used during the season was just an extension of that inadequacy, because it relied on pW-pL. But I think WARP (version 2.0) solves a lot of those problems, because it places the player within the context of a team and a five-man unit (love those skill curves!). And for per-minute aficionados, I also included WARP rate, which is "WARP per 36 minutes".
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thinking a little further about my suggestion, I sorted the 118 on the list that earned a $6+ million WARP based value and found 71 over 110.3 on Offensive Rating and 47 below. On Defensive rating only 37 were 102.3 or below while 81 were higher / less strong, with a league rating at 106.3 making the groups 4 points better than average. Among the players with highest value, strong offensive players are more common but that is to be expected as Offensive Rating tracks the individual and has more likelihood to exceed the average than this team stat based Defensive Rating does. To assess pay for offensive vs defensive qualty evenly, alternative more individual player focused defensive measures DCS or defensive adjusted +/- would be preferrable. (The fair salary work at 82 games for the 05-06 season is an existing database for value/cost trend analysis.)
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