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Neil Paine
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry about the long delay between posts. I don't know what was up with APBRmetrics this past week, with that virus and everything. Hopefully it won't happen again...
Stats thru 3/29/2008
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NOTE:I've updated the WARP formula to assume that the average player's usage/efficiency trade-off is +/-1.25 points of ORtg for every +/-1% of %Poss, per Eli's new research. I've also reformulated MRP based on 2007-08 salary data (thanks go out to Patricia Bender for posting this season's salaries); the formula is now: MRP = $580000 + ($1500000*WARP).
MRP MVP Race:
| Code: | Player Tm Pos Min ORtg %Pos DRtg WARP WARPr MRP
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paul,chris nor PG 2599 125.2 28.6 104.2 17.98 0.249 $31,050,348
james,lebron cle SF 2724 116.4 34.2 104.5 17.05 0.225 $29,459,539
bryant,kobe lal SG 2843 113.6 31.1 105.1 14.77 0.187 $25,606,492
stoudemire,amarepho C 2373 123.2 26.5 104.7 14.52 0.220 $25,171,775
nowitzki,dirk dal PF 2500 118.2 27.9 104.1 14.07 0.203 $24,421,851
billups,chaunceydet PG 2338 126.7 24.4 106.3 13.91 0.214 $24,144,765
howard,dwight orl C 2827 113.5 24.7 99.6 13.69 0.174 $23,771,899
pierce,paul bos SF 2657 114.2 25.0 100.6 12.96 0.176 $22,537,653
ginobili,manu san SG 2140 116.8 29.2 101.1 12.90 0.217 $22,437,005
garnett,kevin bos PF 2129 116.8 24.9 94.9 12.89 0.218 $22,425,100
iverson,allen den PG 3056 115.1 27.0 109.8 12.80 0.151 $22,266,180
duncan,tim san C 2391 110.4 28.3 97.7 12.34 0.186 $21,488,046
williams,deron uta PG 2742 118.4 25.3 110.7 11.77 0.155 $20,519,986
boozer,carlos uta PF 2521 113.0 26.2 103.9 11.27 0.161 $19,680,635
nash,steve pho PG 2499 120.4 25.0 112.7 10.75 0.155 $18,793,814
bosh,chris tor PF 2053 116.8 27.5 105.9 10.50 0.184 $18,362,318
davis,baron gsw PG 2836 111.9 26.4 109.0 10.34 0.131 $18,097,113
jamison,antawn was PF 2806 111.7 25.0 107.0 10.23 0.131 $17,919,513
ming,yao hou C 2044 111.8 27.0 99.9 10.07 0.177 $17,633,900
calderon,jose tor PG 2246 126.9 19.7 109.1 9.82 0.157 $17,210,609
iguodala,andre phi SG 2872 109.4 24.0 105.4 9.56 0.120 $16,768,959
turkoglu,hedo orl SF 2757 111.1 24.8 107.6 9.46 0.124 $16,613,546
allen,ray bos SG 2394 116.3 20.9 104.0 9.45 0.142 $16,586,227
anthony,carmelo den SF 2495 109.1 29.5 107.8 9.38 0.135 $16,468,787
jefferson,al min PF 2542 109.1 27.0 107.2 8.88 0.126 $15,619,812
roy,brandon por SG 2569 112.4 25.6 110.1 8.86 0.124 $15,594,290
lewis,rashard orl SF 2820 114.9 19.9 107.5 8.67 0.111 $15,265,810
maggette,corey lac SF 2285 113.6 26.5 110.4 8.64 0.136 $15,223,232
jefferson,richarnjn SF 2882 111.9 25.1 112.6 8.52 0.106 $15,015,728
ellis,monta gsw PG 2690 117.8 21.3 112.0 8.51 0.114 $15,001,650
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Mountain
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Study of MRP / actual salary for sweet points to see which income band they are more often in and at which position or role or "player type" would interest me. |
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Neil Paine
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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Final Regular-Season BoP Stats
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Leaderboard & Awards:
(Minimum 500 Minutes)
Most Points Produced: Kobe Bryant, LA (2240)
Most Possessions Used: Kobe Bryant (1948)
Highest ORtg: Carl Landry, HOU (130.0)
Highest %Poss: Dwyane Wade, MIA (34.0%)
Lowest DRtg: Kevin Garnett, BOS (94.4)
Highest Floor%: Carl Landry (.649)
Most Defensive Stops: Dwight Howard, ORL (792)
Highest Stop%: Amir Johnson, DET (.692)
Most Touches/Min: Chris Paul, NO (2.49)
Highest % of touches that were passes: Jose Calderon, TOR (81%)
Highest % of touches that were shots: Rodney Carney, PHI (58%)
Highest % of touches that drew fouls: Leon Powe, BOS (29%)
Lowest % of touches that were turnovers: Rasual Butler, NO (2%)
Most Minutes/Game: Allen Iverson, DEN (41.8 )
Most Points/36 Minutes: LeBron James, CLE (27.4)
Highest 2-point FG %: Erick Dampier, DAL (.643)
Highest 3-point FG%: Jason Kapono, TOR (.483)
Highest Free Throw %: Brent Barry, SA (.950)
Highest True Shooting %: Andrew Bynum, LA (.659)
Highest Estimated % of FG Assisted: Malik Allen, NJ (.79)
Lowest Estimated % of FG Assisted: Chris Paul (.29)
Highest % of team shots taken while on the floor: LeBron James (32.2%)
Best Assist Ratio: Chris Paul (52.3)
Worst Assist Ratio: Dikembe Mutombo, HOU (1.2)
Best Turnover Ratio: Rasual Butler (4.4)
Worst Turnover Ratio: Hilton Armstrong, NO (26.6)
Best Pure Point Ratio: Chris Paul (13.83)
Worst Pure Point Ratio: David Harrison, IND (-6.88 )
Most Dribbling touches per 36 minutes: Chris Paul (84.2)
Fewest Dribbling touches per 36 minutes: Dikembe Mutombo (8.9)
Highest Free Throw Rate: Michael Ruffin, MIL (101.6)
Lowest Free Throw Rate: Malik Allen (5.0)
Highest 3-Point Tendency: Damon Jones, CLE (76.0%)
Lowest 3-Point Tendency: Many tied at 0.0%
Best Offensive Reb %: Michael Ruffin (16.1%)
Worst Offensive Reb %: Damon Jones (0.4%)
Best Defensive Reb %: Dwight Howard (31.6%)
Worst Defensive Reb %: Earl Boykins, CHA (5.0%)
Best Blocked Shot %: Amir Johnson (8.4%)
Best Steal %: Chris Paul (3.9%)
Lowest Per-Minute WARP Rate: Mardy Collins, New York (-0.082 WARP/36 Min)
2007-08 MRP Least Valuable Player: Jeff McInnis, Charlotte (-1.64 WARP, -$1,873,750 Fair Salary)
Highest Per-Minute WARP Rate: Chris Paul, New Orleans (0.244 WARP/36 Min)
2007-08 MRP Most Valuable Player: Chris Paul, New Orleans (20.41 WARP, $31,189,575 Fair Salary)
Runners Up: LeBron James, Cleveland (18.81 WARP, $28,800,320) and Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles (17.10 WARP, $26,228,631)
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Neil Paine
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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Playoff BoP Stats (Thru Round 1)
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Neil Paine
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 9:44 am Post subject: |
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Playoff BoP Stats (Thru Round 2)
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Neil Paine
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Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:23 am Post subject: |
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Playoff BoP Stats (Thru Conference Finals)
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Mountain
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Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Does the replacement player reference point remain at regular season level? |
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Neil Paine
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Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, pretty much. Technically it changes based on the league's average offensive rating, but in this case the RS average (108.2) is exactly the same as the postseason average. |
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Neil Paine
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Mike G
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:01 am Post subject: |
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Did Garnett have the most WARP for just the Finals, as well as for the entire playoffs?
Garnett has 3.95 over 26 games; Kobe had 3.54 in just 21 G. That's .169 W/G for Kobe, and .152 for KG. _________________ `
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Neil Paine
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, Ray Allen had the most WARP (1.07) of anyone in the Finals. 4 Celtics (Allen, Pierce, Garnett, Posey) had better Finals than Kobe, the leading Laker, and he barely beat out Rondo and Powe.
On the playoffs, Kobe and KG were essentially equal on a per-minute basis. |
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Mike G
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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:49 am Post subject: |
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| davis21wylie2121 wrote: | Actually, Ray Allen had the most WARP (1.07) of anyone in the Finals. 4 Celtics (Allen, Pierce, Garnett, Posey) had better Finals than Kobe, the leading Laker, and he barely beat out Rondo and Powe.
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I wonder how many of us believe Powe was contributing almost as much as Kobe, or that Posey was 'better'; or that Allen was the best?
eWins placed them thus:
.95 Garnett
.85 Pierce
.75 Allen
.71 Kobe
.56 Rondo
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.20 Powe
.18 Posey
Which is more reasonable? _________________ `
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benji
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| Is that not similar to arguing that a model is superior because it gives you the results you desire? |
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Mike G
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:06 am Post subject: |
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Well, the questions I posed may seem like an argument, but maybe that's because the answers seem obvious. I wouldn't have to ask any assemblage of fans, coaches, players, etc, whether Kobe was better than Powe or Posey; or whether they'd trade Kobe for one of these others (or both); etc.
So I asked how people reading this here forum feel about it. A model that returns absurd results should be questioned. I'm not saying these results are absurd, but they're questionable.
One mental exercise is to wonder how the teams would have fared if Kobe and Posey were switched. There could be chemistry issues for the Celtics. Would Posey have shot 70% with LA?
If you can imagine a plausible scenario, in which LA wins 2 of 6 while starting Posey -- vs an alltime defense, in which Kobe is the best of 4 potent scorers -- then you have a fertile imagination. And that's a good thing.
The standard BoP argument here is that Posey did his job as a 6th man better than Kobe did his job as the go-to guy. That's probably true. But without Kobe, the Lakers don't win more than one game (if they're lucky). Without Posey, do the Celts win just 1, or 0? _________________ `
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Ryan J. Parker
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:56 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | A model that returns absurd results should be questioned. |
All models will give absurd results if we're not interpreting them correctly.
Are we trying to say that we can use WARP to compare players on different teams to determine who had a better game (or series), especially those players that do not have similar roles? If that's what we're trying to say, then that is what I would consider to be absurd. |
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