2/26/07 Box Score: Sonics 97 Blazers 73
Posted on Monday, February 26th, 2007 at 11:19 pm by Big Chris
Sorry for the lack of a game thread, everyone was focused on (and in) Olympia today. Look for updates to come from the SC.com and SOS&S teams.
Rashard is playing really well. It is clear he is starting to get back into the flow of the game. It is a testament to how hard he worked in rehab to how quickly and how well he has re-integrated himself on the floor. He and Ray delivered a very nice knockout punch in the 3rd quarter to put the Blazers away. They combined for 20 of Seattle’s 30 points that quarter.
One blemish on the Sonics game was the combined 2 for 14 shooting of Earl Watson and Luke Ridnour. That is very poor against a very young Portland backcourt.
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| Portland | ||||||||||||
| Name | Min | FG | 3Pt | FT | Off | Reb | Ast | TO | Stl | Blk | PF | Pts |
| I. Udoka | 24 | 3-8 | 1-3 | 0-0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 7 |
| Z. Randolph | 27 | 5-13 | 0-1 | 1-2 | 0 | 8 | 3 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 11 |
| J. Magloire | 19 | 3-4 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 1 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 6 |
| B. Roy | 36 | 3-13 | 0-3 | 0-0 | 0 | 3 | 5 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 6 |
| J. Jack | 23 | 2-6 | 1-2 | 0-0 | 0 | 2 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 5 |
| L. Aldridge | 25 | 5-10 | 0-0 | 2-2 | 3 | 8 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 3 | 12 |
| S. Rodriguez | 13 | 2-6 | 0-2 | 0-0 | 1 | 2 | 4 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 4 |
| T. Outlaw | 28 | 7-14 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 1 | 4 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 3 | 14 |
| M. Webster | 15 | 2-4 | 0-1 | 0-0 | 1 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 4 |
| F. Jones | 16 | 2-3 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 4 |
| D. Dickau | 8 | 0-4 | 0-1 | 0-0 | 0 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 |
| D. Miles | DNP - Coach’s Decision | |||||||||||
| R. LaFrentz | DNP - Coach’s Decision | |||||||||||
| J. Przybilla | DNP - Coach’s Decision | |||||||||||
| Totals | 234 | 34-85 | 2-13 | 3-4 | 8 | 43 | 24 | 15 | 5 | 6 | 17 | 73 |
| Percentages: | .400 | .154 | .750 | Team Rebounds: 6 |
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| Seattle | ||||||||||||
| Name | Min | FG | 3Pt | FT | Off | Reb | Ast | TO | Stl | Blk | PF | Pts |
| R. Lewis | 40 | 10-18 | 6-11 | 3-4 | 0 | 7 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 29 |
| C. Wilcox | 26 | 5-9 | 0-0 | 0-1 | 1 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 10 |
| N. Collison | 28 | 3-8 | 0-0 | 2-2 | 2 | 10 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 3 | 8 |
| R. Allen | 36 | 6-13 | 3-6 | 1-1 | 2 | 10 | 6 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 16 |
| L. Ridnour | 34 | 1-9 | 0-3 | 2-2 | 1 | 2 | 8 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 4 |
| E. Watson | 25 | 1-5 | 1-2 | 1-2 | 1 | 3 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 4 |
| J. Petro | 16 | 3-7 | 0-0 | 1-2 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 7 |
| D. Wilkins | 16 | 5-7 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0 | 3 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 4 | 10 |
| M. Wilks | 4 | 1-3 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
| A. Brown | 5 | 2-2 | 0-0 | 1-2 | 1 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5 |
| M. Gelabale | 4 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 2-2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
| D. Fortson | DNP - Coach’s Decision | |||||||||||
| M. Sene | DNP - Coach’s Decision | |||||||||||
| R. Swift | DNP - Coach’s Decision | |||||||||||
| Totals | 234 | 37-81 | 10-22 | 13-18 | 10 | 48 | 23 | 14 | 6 | 4 | 17 | 97 |
| Percentages: | .457 | .455 | .722 | Team Rebounds: 4 |
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Technical Fouls: Portland - I. Udoka 1 Attendance: 16,538 |
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Plus/Minus
Ray Allen led the way with a very strong +25. Rashard Lewis (+23) and Chris Wilcox (+21) both joined Ray in the 20’s.
Help Value (hv=Reb+Ast+Blk+Stl-TO)
Ray Allen led the team in this category as well with a +14. Nick Collison put up a +13, and Luke Ridnour a +10.
February 26th, 2007 at 11:28 pm
I am still of the belief that an 18-8 record in the final 26 games will get you into the playoffs. Try to pinpoint the 18 wins.
February 27th, 2007 at 12:08 am
I don’t want to make the playoffs. I want a top five pick. I’m sick of this straddling the fence BS.
February 27th, 2007 at 12:16 am
Although Steve Patterson rightfully selected LaMarcus Aldridge rather than Adam Morrison with the second pick in the 2006 NBA Draft, I still wish that Morrison and Brandon Roy were teaming up for the Portland Trailblazers. Additionally, in spite of the fact that I’ve got nothing against Ime Udoka — who, for whatever it’s worth to y’all, is an alumnus of Portland State University — I wouldn’t mind watching Morrison dawn a red, white, and black uniform come tip-off for each and every ‘blazer game.
February 27th, 2007 at 12:42 am
Well, Ray “Jesus Shuttlesworth” Allen is influencing young minds.
http://www.newsobserver.com/122/story/547177.html
I wonder what Tim Hardaway thinks of that, though?
So long as He Got Game, it’s all good in my book. Hell, it’s all good either way.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:09 am
Interested to hear what people thought abot magloire tonight…
February 27th, 2007 at 1:20 am
Rashard Lewis has stepped up his game this year. For years his krytonite has been ball control. What separates the good players from the rest is their ability to go anywhere on the court.
Watching Lewis brings the ball up the floor in full speed, then watch him dish a behind the back pass to Collison was refreshing.
Don’t look now, but Lewis still hasn’t reached his full potential yet.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:26 am
I have always found that the “I’d rather have a top 5 pick than make the playoffs” philosophy quite interesting. I find it interesting because it does not make any sense. Just because people say that this draft is a deep draft does not mean it will actually turn out to be a deep draft. Let’s go back to the deep draft of 2003.
Out of the first ten picks, four blue chippers were produced, two of which have already attained legend status.
The other two blue chippers, Carmelo and Chris Bosh, have won a grand total of three playoff games. The next three guys in that deep draft, Kaman, Hinrich, Ford have won a grand total of one playoff series total. For all of you that complain about Chris Wilcox (most of your complaint are legitimate) should look at how Chris Kaman has been performing with a significantly larger contract. Darko and the #9 and #10 picks have yet to establish themselves as anything but seventh or eighth guys off the bench.
I feel that those of you that are counting on a #6 pick to save this team need to think long and hard about whether that #6 pick will ever be better than Rashard Lewis or Ray Allen. Of coure, some of you may make the comment that Rashard and Ray are terrible defenders. Rashard has dramatically improved his defense this season and while Ray still needs work, he does have a talent for garnering big steals.
In my opinion, there’s nothing better than the NBA playoffs. Anything can happen and unfortunately, us Sonics fans know that from 1994. If you don’t like the NBA playoffs, go turn on March Madness because you may not be a NBA fan. Join Art Thiel and Steve Kelley in the anti-NBA bandwagon.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:27 am
In my opinion, myk, Jamaal Magloire was an option near the beginning of the season rather than near the trade deadline. In addition, Rick Sund shouldn’t've offered anything more than Danny Fortson and Mouhamed Sene to Steve Patterson for Magloire. Of course, it wasn’t me that was most interested in the Seattle Supersonics acquiring Magloire in the first place. As it was, my focus was toward bigger trade proposals at that time.
February 27th, 2007 at 3:02 am
Magloire.
20 minutes. 6 pts 4 rebounds.
$8 million a year.
Stiff
February 27th, 2007 at 3:06 am
I did like Magloire’s blind dunk though (after his charge on Collison).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k293YtEY7RY
He’s not just a stiff. He’s a dork too.
February 27th, 2007 at 3:36 am
Ironically, I’m currently listening to “Soul To Squeeze” by the Red Hot Chili Peppers while I’m drunk by myself on a weeknight.
Yes, folks, I’ve got a problem.
I, by the way, couldn’t head to bed ’til Menace made the last comment of the night — or, in this case, morning — thankfully, though, he called somebody a stiff; thus, the wait was worth it.
February 27th, 2007 at 3:49 am
Nice job for drunk typing.
February 27th, 2007 at 3:53 am
Alex, I was about to disagree with you right off the bat and say that it’s about increasing our chances at getting the top pick– a game changer. If I had time I would list the last 20 champions and tell you how many had an ONEAL, DUNCAN, JORDAN, MAGIC type player…
but your post was so darn thorough. and then you lumped me in with Steve Kelley and Art Thiel.
So, maybe you’re right.
GO SONICS!
(let’s see how long this lasts)
February 27th, 2007 at 9:13 am
Rashard is playing great and working hard because his eyes have been replaced by cartoon dollar signs! All he is thinking about is his big payday this summer. After signing his new contract, and while the ink is still wet, he will let out a huge sigh of relief and go back to the player he has always been (ruined at an early age by too much exposure to Vin Baker)
February 27th, 2007 at 9:27 am
Vinny provides a welcome source of comedy in an otherwise dreary season.
Thanks Vinny!
February 27th, 2007 at 9:56 am
“Menace Says:
February 27th, 2007 at 3:02 am
Magloire.
20 minutes. 6 pts 4 rebounds. $8 million a year.”
Actually, the box score says 19 minutes. Last night was a blow out, everyone on Portland was crap. Even Aldridge let Petro free for a baseline dunk.
And Zach Randolph had 11 pts 8 rbs in 27 minutes at $12 million a year”. He must be a stiff too.
I noticed you kept your mouth shut three nights ago when Magloire, going head to head with Pau Gasol, put up 14 pts and 10 rbs. Typical…..Menace hides and shuts up when Magloire has a solid game against an All Star player, but when the whole Portland team gets blown out of the gym you think that’s a good time to bring up your view point. Just par for the course with you it appears.
Magloire is exactly what I said he was. A veteran Center who can give a young team quality minutes in the paint. If someone is niave enough to judge someone based on one game alone, then that speaks volumes for that persons opinion.
February 27th, 2007 at 10:44 am
Alex,
Where to start…where to start…
- So, you are expecting a team to have a 70% winning percentage when their current winning percetnage is 39.3%? Or better yet, you are expecting the team to almost dobule their win total with just over 30% left in the season? This is just pure craziness…sad really.
- Lets take a look back at the 2003 deep draft. Out of the top 8 picks who would be a starter on the Sonics today:
- Lebron — CHECK
- Darko — MAYBE (probably)
- Carmello — CHECK
- Bosh — CHECK
- Wade — CHECK
- Kaman — CHECK
- Hinrich — CHECK
- Ford — MAYBE (probably)
At least 4 of them (LeBron, Mello, Bosh and Wade) would be giving Ray a run for his “best player of the team money”. Hinrich and Ford would’ve been upgrades over our current PG positoin and Kaman would have been a decent (albeit overpaid…but they all are…Swift/Petro/Sene are so lucky) center. The only player that might not be starting is Darko and I really don’t think any of us can judge him yet.
So if the Sonics had been bad enough to have a top 8 pick we would have had at least one other starter…man that would’ve sucked.
- On the other hand, we had our good old 12th pick…hasn’t been producing too much talent for us lately has it?? This is what people are sick of Alex.
Sure if we had a reasonable chance to get to the playoffs then we would all be rooting them on like crazy. However, the Sonics absolutely no reasonable chance to make the playoffs so every win is just making it hard to make the team better.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:11 am
“Sure if we had a reasonable chance to get to the playoffs then we would all be rooting them on like crazy. However, the Sonics absolutely no reasonable chance to make the playoffs so every win is just making it hard to make the team better.”
The Sonics are a very tough team to figure out right now. Their roster has some fatal flaws and it is an extremely young and inexperienced roster, especially when you exclude Fortson from the equation. The way I see the draft right now is the top three picks (if they all come out) look to be big time players, and then the talent level drops significantly. Between picks 4 and about 10-11 I think the talent is pretty even.
As far as the Sonics roster……if they want to compete and build around Ray and Rashard, then they are going to have to make some changes in order to address the inexperience on the bench and lack of perimeter defense. In addition, they have to address the weak interior defense of Wilcox and Petro and their weak defensive reboudning.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:17 am
Here is another REALLY EASY way to look at the playoff situation. To get there we need at lest a 70% winning percentage…even then we’d only be 40-42 and I don’t think that gets us in.
However, all that aside, if you just look at the 18 wins…that means we would have to have a better winning perecntage than all but two teams in the entire NBA have right now.
Its amazing to me that someone can look at a team with the 2nd worst record in their conference and say “playoffs”
February 27th, 2007 at 11:17 am
The problem I have with Alex’s post is that criminy says he wants a top five pick and Alex tries to use the top ten picks of that ‘04 draft to prove why it’s a flawed strategy. Probably because looking simply at the top five completely disproves his thoughts on the matter.
The top five picks that year produced Lebron, Carmello, Wade, and Bosh. Four guys who are absolute perpetual all-stars and between them should win a handful of MVP awards over their careers.
Obviously, a top five pick is not any sort of guarantee that a team will be getting a star player but the rate of return is certainly greater than picking between 10 and 12. The average draft position of the last 20 MVP’s is 4.5 and that number is inflated by Nash (#15) winning the last two seasons. This team as consitituted is no good enough to make a run if they made the playoffs. So what’s your best case scenario? They get the 8 seed, lose to the Mavs in the first round, and draft Alando Tucker or Arron Afflalo or Acie Law, etc etc…nice players but not difference makers.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:35 am
I gotta agree….I’m pretty darn optimistic…..but any playoff talk regarding the Sonics and 2006/2007 is just plain out there.
The best thing for this team would be to have a nice little run in March, then get pounded by that tough schedule in April and end up right about where they are now with the #7 pick. Have a reasonable chance of getting lucky in the draft lottery and snagging one of the top three spots. If that doesn’t happen then selected the best player available or use the pick in a big trade.
February 27th, 2007 at 12:51 pm
MARK IT DOWN:
There is absolutely no way the Sonics make the playoffs this year. To do so would be to go on a more inprobable run than the 95 Mariners…
…that being said…it would be really, really nice to be wrong on this one
February 27th, 2007 at 3:13 pm
“I noticed you kept your mouth shut three nights ago when Magloire, going head to head with Pau Gasol, put up 14 pts and 10 rbs. Typical…..Menace hides and shuts up when Magloire has a solid game against an All Star player, but when the whole Portland team gets blown out of the gym you think that’s a good time to bring up your view point. Just par for the course with you it appears.
Magloire is exactly what I said he was. A veteran Center who can give a young team quality minutes in the paint. If someone is niave enough to judge someone based on one game alone, then that speaks volumes for that persons opinion. ”
FYI: Frozen. My opinion of Magloire is no reflection on you. Lets try to not take my posts personally. Its just my opinion…….which I have a right to.
Forgive me for not following Magloire’s game by game output. I’m simply not as big a fan of him as you are. I’ll try to follow his career more closely from now on. I apologize for my opinion. In case I miss a box score or two…..please feel free to give a weekly Magloire recap. I’ll be sure to respond by saying he is a stiff.
February 27th, 2007 at 3:19 pm
He’s a stiff that one day I hope our young Cs can grow up to be…it’d be nice to have $24 million tied up in three stiff centers…
February 27th, 2007 at 3:28 pm
“FYI: Frozen. My opinion of Magloire is no reflection on you. Lets try to not take my posts personally. Its just my opinion…….which I have a right to.”
I think it speaks volumes when a person who states a player is a stiff, then ignores that players next performance that doesn’t support their opinion………..then feels it is necessary to go out of their way to bring up a different performance that more closely supports their opinion. No big deal, I just think your actions speak volumes.
“Forgive me for not following Magloire’s game by game output. I’m simply not as big a fan of him as you are. I’ll try to follow his career more closely from now on. I apologize for my opinion. In case I miss a box score or two…..please feel free to give a weekly Magloire recap. I’ll be sure to respond by saying he is a stiff.”
Yes, I know…it was much easier for you to ignore Magloire’s performance against Pau rather than bring it up and get egg on your face.
February 27th, 2007 at 4:28 pm
Frozen,
- Come on you are better than that…you aren’t going to support your claim based on one game. Especially, when you seem to be claiming he went up against Gasol who:
A: Doesn’t play center
B: Isn’t a good defender in his own right
I’m sure I could find many, many more bad single games this year for Magloire than good games….
February 27th, 2007 at 4:38 pm
Frozen how many times do I need to tell you that I don’t follow Magloire game to game. Why would I? Who would? If that speaks volumes about me…….then so be it.
Why do you take my opinion of this player so personally? Did he put you through college? Is he a family friend? Did he rescue your dog from a fire? Frozen…..are you Jamal Magloire?
Dude is averaging what……5 and 5. I can bring up a lot of box scores if you really want me to. Magloire could have had 20 and 10 vs Pau. That wouldn’t change my opinion about his game one bit. I don’t like his game. Deal with it bro.
February 27th, 2007 at 4:50 pm
whats with Sene not playing? we’re up by 20 the whole game and a not quite 100% Rashard plays 40 min while Sene gets no love? Pathetic Hill… I’m a big Hill fan but sometimes…
February 27th, 2007 at 4:55 pm
The Sonics are a poorly constructed team that needs a change of direction from the FO to the coaching staff to the roster.
Whether they make the playoffs or not does not change this fact.
Should we continue to console ourselves with failure disguised as mediocrity? Aim for the 14th pick instead of the 12th?
While you’re at it, make sure to root for the UW in the NIT. I’ll be watching the Final 4.
February 27th, 2007 at 4:56 pm
A 9 pt and 9 rebound guy will have agmes of 14 and 10, followed by games of 6 and 4. It is how the averages play out. A player who averages 9/9 or 10/10 is not a great player but a type of player that teams need.
You two are talking apples and oranges. Menace seems to compare him to all-star quality centers and Frozen is asking if he could be a veteran contributer. You are talking different languages.
IMO, most NBA centers are stiffs. But teams need them.
February 27th, 2007 at 4:56 pm
It is pretty amazing that they would have Rashard out there for 40 minutes with the type of game it was…
February 27th, 2007 at 5:17 pm
“Frozen how many times do I need to tell you that I don’t follow Magloire game to game.”
Yes, I heard you Menace. You only felt the need to revive the conversation and try and come throw it in my face after Magloire had a so-so game. After his good game you were no where to be found. Not surprising at all. And the “I don’t follow all his games” cop out, is pretty weak.
February 27th, 2007 at 5:23 pm
“Dude is averaging what……5 and 5. I can bring up a lot of box scores if you really want me to. Magloire could have had 20 and 10 vs Pau. That wouldn’t change my opinion about his game one bit. I don’t like his game. Deal with it bro. ”
I don’t have a problem with your opinion of him, I don’t think you are right, but that’s not a problem.
Its the pettiness of coming back on here with the sole purpose of trying to throw it back in my face after the Blazers whole team gets blown out and Malgoire has a so-so game. That’s just pathetic and juvenile. Especially, since you chose to remain silent after Magloire’s solid outing.
February 27th, 2007 at 5:26 pm
“It is pretty amazing that they would have Rashard out there for 40 minutes with the type of game it was… ”
40 minutes in a meaningless game like that does seem a bit much, however I bet Hill was worried about another 4th quarter meltdown and thus was taking no chances. I just don’t think that Hill has come to the realization that the playoffs are out of reach this season and he’s still trying to win every single game regardless of how much he has to ride Ray and Rashard.
February 27th, 2007 at 6:15 pm
Lighten up, Mr Roper. Did you consider that maybe Magloire was commented on due to us all being able to see him play last night, after being a subject of recent conversation. Why do you take this so personally?
Other stellar JM stats: a 1 to 4 assist/TO ratio as well as a 55% FT shooter.
Stiff.
Cuffs, what up?
What the heck did you do to get booted off the PI site? I guess you forgot to say that you like the Sonics?
February 27th, 2007 at 6:50 pm
“Yes, I heard you Menace. You only felt the need to revive the conversation and try and come throw it in my face after Magloire had a so-so game. After his good game you were no where to be found. Not surprising at all. And the “I don’t follow all his games” cop out, is pretty weak. ”
“Its the pettiness of coming back on here with the sole purpose of trying to throw it back in my face after the Blazers whole team gets blown out and Malgoire has a so-so game. That’s just pathetic and juvenile. Especially, since you chose to remain silent after Magloire’s solid outing. ”
Thats your opinion, and I promise not to hold it against you…… or take it personally.
February 27th, 2007 at 7:29 pm
‘I wouldn’t want to belong to any club that would have me as a member.’
What’s up, Dick? Drinks are a bit weak, over here, but they’ll have to do. Chex Mix is a nice touch, though.
I have no idea what I did to get booted, just know that the Moderator isn’t familiar with Lenny Bruce and doesn’t speak German.
And: ‘This ain’t no party, this ain’t no disco, this ain’t no fooling around No time for dancing, or lovey dovey, I ain’t got time for that now …’
Did Free ever find Jimmy Smits?
Anyway, no great loss, forum was dying.
Re: Magloire. Once promising, now just expensive. Don’t know what happened, but would look elsewhere for veteran help in the post/paint. Sign/Trade Shard? Move Wilcox?
I know one thing: GET SENE, GELEBALE SOME PLAYING TIME!