Misc Thoughts
Posted on Monday, May 28th, 2007 at 10:30 am by Brian Robinson
A couple of reports from around the league toda indicate that the Sonics are pursuing both Marc Ivaroni and PJ Carlisimo as head coach while they have finally requested permission to speak with Sam Presti. Various media members flew out along with Lenny Wilkens and Rich Cho to attend a camp in Orlando Florida and from there you can expect the gossip to really heat up.
Presti is by all accounts their first choice and a real whiz kid. He is however only 29 years old. If he and Durant come on board it will be “The Savior” and “The Genius”. Maybe PJ can be “The Grouch”.
Seriously though I like PJ Carlisimo. I sat next to him at the first day of summer league in Salt Lake City last year and really enjoyed the company. PJ Was extremely impressed with Mo Sene’s first game but then again, weren’t we all. I was also a resident of Oakland California during his first year coaching the Warriors.
While Ivaroni is the really hot name I think that a basic question needs to be answered and I’ll love to hear your thoughts. [b] Given the tentative situation of the franchise can the team affort do bring in a coach with no head coaching experience on the NBA level? [/b] If Presti winds up being the hire as GM can we afford the risk of having first year talent at both the GM, Head Coach, and #1 star on the roster? Sounds like a big risk to me.
While I love the potential for Phoenix style basketball my gut tells me the answer to that question is no and that Ivaroni should be ruled out. I’m not certain how firm my resolve is on that question but I’d like other opinions. Carlisimo on the other hand has a really impressive resume. If you assume that people grow and mature on the job you can look at his head coaching stints in Portland and Golden State as bumps in the road, overlooking his relatively unimpressive performance with the understanding that he has since moved on to become a top assistant for one of the leagues best teams. He’s a candidate that was extremely successful on the college level, has several years experience as a head coach, and now several more learning the NBA trade with one of the leagues top franchises. Additionally he is a guy who has been through controversy and moved on.
Carlisimo is not a sexy name, nor likely a trendy hire but I think in a lot of ways he’s a good fit. If you buy into the thought that we need experience the field gets trimmed a bit and you wind up with him and Paul Silas being the most likely candidates.
Either way we’re likely to know a lot more one week from now than we do today. Keep the comments coming and stay tuned for more news.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:00 am
is’nt there a more attractive hire than P.j. Chokelissimo.. i would rather a hungry 3rd tier coach…
May 28th, 2007 at 11:05 am
Sam Presti has been compared to baseball’s Theo Epstein. I’ll take it.
Re: Carlesimo, both his gigs as an NBA head coach were NOT good. Sure, perhaps he’s “moved on” since then, but at 57 years old, it’s hard to believe he’s improved that much as an NBA head coach since the mid 90s. My list would be Silas, Carlisle and possibly Casey. I hope the GM makes the call rather than Lenny.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:12 am
Although I don’t know too much about either Pesti or Ivaroni I’m more comfortable with the notion of Pesti. Pesti, although young, comes from a disciplined system who have survived and excelled despite drafting each year in the high 20’s. While Tim Duncan would make any program shine they have consistently added quality players and been in the mix which is more than you can say for many organizations with an obvious contrast of Minnesota with a similar franchise type player. I think the strength of that organization is broad based and greater than one superstar.
With Ivaroni, I have much more reservation. Living the Arizona I love watching the Suns but they have not been able to get over the hump as few have with the gimmick run and gun offense. Take Nash out and they stagnate and we are far from having anyone like Nash. Without Nash and what he’s brought to that team I don’t think anyone would be talking about Ivaroni.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:48 am
I do not know who should be coach. I do know that Ivaroni also coached with Riley. He also played in a balanced system in Philly. So, he might be a bit more versatile than simply running the PHO style offense.
The problem with PJ is that he is not going to get anyone excited. Unless of course he comes along with Presti. In that case we are selling the package.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:57 am
If they take Carlisimo, I think they have to say we are convinced he is the best x’s and o’s coach available. Not just good, the best available.
If they take Presti, I think they have to say to themselves we completely put down the young genius hype and grilled him like he was anyone else and we were blown away with the top quality of his answers in the interview. And Bennett and Wilkens have to both say we want this guy to our third partner in running the team and commit to that partnership and talking every day. If they arent sure, take a veteran..
May 28th, 2007 at 12:04 pm
After following a roster built like a second hand version of the Dallas Mavericks, I’m not particularly looking forward to following a second hand Phoenix Suns.
I’ve already listed the differences between this roster and Phoenix’s in other threads suffice to say it is highly unlikely that an uptempo pace will work with this roster given its roster-wide defensive deficiencies and lack of consistent play at PG.
PJ’s not a real exciting hire, sure, but it can’t be argued that he’s had a lot of success with the Spurs. Going into the offseason I wanted the team to bring somebody in from outside from an organization with a recent history of success and PJ/Presti would fill those requirements.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:46 pm
Honestly, I really don’t think the first-year stuff is a particularly big deal. Iavaroni (can we please all learn to spell the guy’s name?) may not have been a HC before, but he’s learned under some of the best, and what he does is a good fit for the players we have. If we hire him, I’d like to see someone on his staff responsible for coaching the guards (like Gordie Chiesa, though that particular hiring doesn’t seem to have worked out the way I expected it to) so that he can focus some of his time on developing our young forwards, but I’d like to see what Iavaroni could draw from both D’Antoni and Riley.
As for Presti, the guy’s apprenticed under Popovich and Buford; if the primary job of a GM is to collect players who a) are talented and b) complement each other well, Presti’s been about as well trained to do that as anyone in the league. Give him a cap guy to work with (keep Cho, probably), and I expect he’ll do well from the start. I think Iavaroni will do the same–but I’d hire Presti first and let him choose the coach, and if he’d rather go with someone else, that ought to be his call.
May 28th, 2007 at 1:02 pm
I made a forum entry on this subject a couple of days ago:
GM and Coaching hires likely on hold until after the draft
Since one of two players will be falling to the Sonics, with no chance of second guessing, and since whichever of Oden or Durant will drastically affect the Sonics roster construction of the future, I expect Lenny to make the pick and then hire a GM & coach after the draft, once it’s clear which player the team will be building around. For instance, Presti would likely be a great GM to build a team around Oden. Around Durant?… maybe not such a great fit.
May 28th, 2007 at 1:14 pm
I vote for Iavaroni and Presti. While I’ve only heard good things about Iavaroni, I don’t really know anything about Presti, but I agree with a previous post that I’d prefer a young gun who’s hungry over an old experienced type. That goes for Iavaroni as well.
May 28th, 2007 at 1:16 pm
With first timers, you don’t know what you’ve got until let them take the wheel. Both Presti and Ivaroni are those guys. Is it too big a risk? Can the Sonics go any lower if they bomb? Not too much. On the plus side, both of these guys look like the kind you take a risk on. If the ownership is convinced they are ready, then why not risk it.
Carlisimo on the kind of low risk coach that would be a mistake. He’s Weiss with a fiery temper. good xs and os, solid knowledge base, but I just don’t think he cuts it on the people skills department. I was also living in Oakland during PJ first tenure and his blow up with (I’m blanking on his name). I remembering thinking PJ had such a reputation of being an asshole with his players, that PJ had it comming. (not that I endorse choking your coach, ever). The guys who evolve are the younger coaches who get a chance early and grow form it. Nate is the perfect example. He really grew as a coach over his tenure with the Sonics. And I bet he is doing more growing in Portland.
Count me out of the PJ endorsers. I’m not convienced that a great resume makes a great head coach. I don’t know if Ivaroni and Presti are a good match, but I would rather take a chance with them or other, than recycle yesterdays old news.
May 28th, 2007 at 1:18 pm
I think they get a GM before the draft. The second picks could be important. i could also see them trading the 2 second picks for one of PHO’s first round picks. You need a GM to help with that stuff.
I also think we will get some trade offers. We need to have someone on top of this.
May 28th, 2007 at 1:57 pm
It feels to me like PJ’s position is one of being more comfortable with someone else (Popovich) laying down and enforcing the law. So to speak. That way he can be free to teach and instruct without having to deal with any discipline issues. I do not think PJ can be a head coach because he does not know how to control people and therefore compensates by being aggressive and groucy, yelling, cussing etc…. Anyway that is my humble opinion.
May 28th, 2007 at 2:23 pm
Some people just can’t get it done in the spotlight…PJ is thus, the Shawn Marion of coaching…don’t buy into the hype just because he’s been an assistant on a team with Tim Duncan. I don’t think Oden or Durant is the type of player that needs to be screamed at and degraded to produce results (PJs +s if he has any). Hell, I’m great company at a basketball game…and I’m a HUGE doucebag! There is now easy clear cut choice (if larry brown couldn’t find the talent in DWade, Melo, and Bron, he certainly won’t find it in the #2 pick) for our coaching vacancy, but PJ is is a very bad choice (so is LB, so stop it)
May 28th, 2007 at 2:24 pm
Iavaroni wasnt a strong NBA player but it is a plus with opening communication with players. He was a forward and maybe could especially impact the guys there. He has tons of experience around the game. If they feel a fit with him on the way they want to play and type of players it sounds like as good a roll of dice as any.
May 28th, 2007 at 2:41 pm
A bit odd for them to be interviewing coaches or even talking about coaches. Shouldn’t the new GM lead that drive? Find a great GM and keep your hands off basketball ops, Lenny. Find that GM before the draft, please.
May 28th, 2007 at 2:54 pm
I agree with needing a GM before the draft. Anyone can pull the trigger on the 2nd pick after Portland chooses. The second round picks are valuable assests that could be handled any number of ways and need input from an experienced source with a vision for the team and an eye for the future.
It makes me uncomfortable to think Lenny would be guiding the draft without the future GM and then handing off the pieces. I don’t have much confidence in Lenny other than a face for the franchise serving at the meet and greets.
May 28th, 2007 at 3:34 pm
- I think PJ would be a really poor hire from a publicity standard. People would see his name and go look at his past perfrormance and wonder what makes him so special. If you want a guy like PJ why wouldnt you just hire Rick Carlisle at least he has a decent resume.
- I’m still an Iavaroni fan and I think being weary of being the Suns north isn’t nearly as justified as some people seem to think it is. Also, for those who say that the Sonics already tried to be “Dallas North” need to look back and realize the problem wasn’t with the plan the problem was with the fact that they didn’t have a coach who was on board with the plan AND they never really commited to the plan (despite their lip service towards it)
- The more you hear about Presti the more it seems pretty obvious that he has a very good chance of being our GM. Since he is so young I wonder how someone like PJ would handle working under him…I know they’ve worked together in SA but there isn’t the same direct relationship that would be between Coach/GM. From what I’ve heard Presti is a very hard worker (one of those 100 hour week guys) the same has been said about Iavaroni and his dedication to watching film…they really seem to be a good match for one another.
May 28th, 2007 at 4:15 pm
Honestly, all the BS that we can’t hire a head coach who “hasn’t done well in the past”. Give me a break, I want us to hire the coach who will help us win games, I don’t care if he wasn’t successful in his past jobs.
Who does everyone want? A big name who will create buzz up until the season begins and it turns out maybe he isn’t the right fit, or a guy with a sketchy track record who helps us win games? The bottomline is that this season we need to win to create a buzz.
May 28th, 2007 at 4:49 pm
I have an open mind when it comes to the coaching candidates. I won’t hold PJ Carlisimo’s one incident against him, especially when it was the player that went ballistic, not PJ(and that player had a reputation of being a little bit highstrung). Frankly, I wouldn’t mind seeing a demanding coach that’s a bit of a task master. Jerry Sloan and Greg Popowich do allright, as has Sam Mitchell this year. So as far as the person who talked about yelling as a negative, I don’t believe it. As far as Carlsimo’s coaching talents as a strategist go, I’m not all that familiar with his “style” of coaching so I’ll not comment on that.
Iavorini won me over when I read his comment about “creating a culture of unselfishness” when asked why the Suns are successful. Again, as an assistant, unless you’re in the loop, it’s tough to gauge how good a coach he is. But you have to hope that Wilkens does his homework in not only interviewing the prospective coaches, but also talk to the people around them to get opinions.
Rick Carlisle I’m not sure about. Sure, he did a good job with the Pistons, but they didn’t miss a beat once he was gone did they? Was it the players that made him look good? The Pacers didn’t do too well under his watch.
I’ve always thought highly of Paul Silas when he coached the Hornets. But he had a veteran team. When he went to Cleveland with a young group he wasn’t as successful. Who knows why for sure? But I would guess that if Wilkens is calling the shots he would look favorably at an experienced coach like Silas.
May 28th, 2007 at 4:53 pm
I think Casey did a creditable job with the T-Wolves (what was his successor’s record vs. his?!?) and should be a strong candidate for the Sonics. He got a raw deal in Minny and I’d love for his second job to be back with the Sonics (I won’t call it a second “chance” because that implies he failed in his first job, which is not the case).
May 28th, 2007 at 4:55 pm
I LOVE how Vinnie makes the statement that “I do not think PJ can be a head coach because he does not know how to control people and therefore compensates by being aggressive and groucy, yelling, cussing etc…”
The guy coached a team that wasn’t exactly filled with future pros to the NCAA championship game… he CAN coach.
Did he make mistakes in prior stints? Sure. But then, at the time, were either Golden State or Portland great places for a coach to thrive? Latrell Sprewell might as well have the nickname “Cancer.” Vinnie also alluded to a coach being able to “control people.” Name ONE PERSON who controlled Latrell?!?
And yes, he may have been too abrasive when he first entered the NBA. But I seriously doubt he would repeat that mistake, given his intellect and his experience in SA. He entered a poisonous situation in GS, and a team on the outs in P-town as well. My only concern is that he would have chosen to take that Portland job– I question that judgement, not his coaching acumen.
He is much more than Bob Weiss. Weiss was a weak hire from the word go, a temporary fill in. PJ has a far different personality, and would be an interesting hire. Maybe not the best, but I’m not willing to write him off and hire a rookie head coach either.
I’m not completely for it, mind you. But I like it a hell of a lot better than Silas, who has never proven himself to know a damn thing about X/O’s, nor winning as a coach.
PJ won at Seton Hall, for chrissakes. Seen what they’ve done since he left? Now perhaps his personality is better suited for a college player. But what if, hypothetically, he has learned, improved, and would be better prepared to lead men?
Of course, I still think is asinine to be thinking about coaches before GM’s, and to consider waiting until AFTER the draft… but then, that is probably par for the course.
May 28th, 2007 at 4:55 pm
ps - Kevin McHale is the failure in Minny and he does not deserve any second chances!
May 28th, 2007 at 6:34 pm
I would take Carlisle, Jeff Van Gundy, PJ Carleisimo and even Silas over Iavaroni based on being experienced, playoff coaches. Not saying that Iavaroni can’t become one, but he isn’t one yet. Also, we have no idea what his philosophy is. We don’t know if he is a run and gun disciple or not just because he has been on the Phoenix bench for 4 years. Prior to that he was with Riley and Fratello…far from run and gunners.
Just because a coach is a young up and comer doesn’t thrill me in a coach. As many fail as succeed, for example Terry Stotts, Dwayne Casey, Eric Musselman etc. etc.
I think a tried and true coach like the ones I listed above would be better for our team, at this juncture. We really need a winning season this year, not on the job training for a novice head coach. For what it is worth I am fine with a up and comer with a track record for GM like Presti. He should pick his own coach and I hope he goes for experience.
Note also that the four coaches I listed have defensive pedigrees. An area that really needs addressing with our team. I think just having Robert back will help our D a bit, as well as a long armed Durant or possibly Oden.
May 28th, 2007 at 6:41 pm
Rick Carlisle I’m not sure about. Sure, he did a good job with the Pistons, but they didn’t miss a beat once he was gone did they? Was it the players that made him look good? The Pacers didn’t do too well under his watch.
- Yes taking a team that had won 32 games the previous year and then leading them to 50 wins isn’t a big deal. Then turning around and taking a 48 win team and elading them to 61 wins the next deal and a blocked shot away from the Finals isn’t a big deal. Then losing your second best player for 74 games and your best player for 30 some games to a brawl and still leading your team to the second round of the playoffs…
Man that guy has done nothing….
May 28th, 2007 at 6:43 pm
I’m having a hard time being in favor or the assistant to the team that has former MVP Duncan, or former MVP Nash, since the Sonics have neither. I’m not against eather. One has no record, the other a distant record.
I’d rather have a coach from a team that has a defensive philospohy, Carlisimo, that is still playing.
May 28th, 2007 at 6:46 pm
If you are going to hire Carlisle the big question that needs to be explained is why the team had the 11 game losing streak in March…it was a little bit after Larry Bird traded away some of his best players for the two whitest players in the league…after that trade the team went 15-29…was the loss of talent really that big of a deal to him? He had proven capable of succeeding without talent in the past.
May 28th, 2007 at 7:09 pm
“As many fail as succeed, for example Terry Stotts, Dwayne Casey, Eric Musselman etc. etc.”
I would argue Dwayne Casey did not “fail.” He did not have a great team and he really wasn’t given much of a chance. His replacement did MUCH worse. He got basically one and a quarter year. He was 10-10 when he was fired this year. His replacement…12-30. The last gigs that PJ (46-113 in GS!) and Silas (69-77 in Cleveland) had were nothing to write home about. I would take Casey over either of them, and Van Gundy (habitual quitter) too!
Carlisle is more an issue of fit for the team. I think he’s been a very good coach overall - very structured. Is this good or bad for Durant? I think the GM should make that call.
May 28th, 2007 at 7:43 pm
I don’t think that they will wait until after the draft to make the hires. The NBA Draft is one of the most active trade seasons in sports, let alone basketball itself. I don’t think the Sonics want to avoid makin moves this draft or allow Lenny Wilkins to essentially make this team this offseason. If he’s going to make the team this offseason, why even hire a GM? If the Sonics allow Lenny Wilkins to GM in the most vital offseason of the franchise, he becomes the GM. That would prove that the Sonics trust Lenny Wilkins enough to do it permanently. It doesn’t make any sense at all to hire a GM after a draft.
May 28th, 2007 at 7:48 pm
Carlisle would be godly here. Gotta make sure Presti/Lenny want him, though.
May 28th, 2007 at 7:49 pm
I looked at about a dozen coaches that got 3rd chances and they all had a winning record at some point in the first 2 tries. PJ has that so I wouldnt put him beyond the pale, even though I am not in favor.
May 28th, 2007 at 8:00 pm
Carlisle overall has a lot of strength of his resume but you’d have to have the frank discussion about what didnt work and how if at all it changed him. Sonics might fit prety good for him if he has processed Indiana fully. If not, wait Rick and take their money . His assistant coaches would be important.
May 28th, 2007 at 8:13 pm
Carlisle has been fired 2 times in the last 4 years. I have no idea about what happened in Detroit. The brawl killed things in Indiana. Yet, it is an odd situation. Sonics would need to figure that out.
May 28th, 2007 at 8:30 pm
From Frank’s blog: “I spoke to Dave Pendergraft, the team’s director of player personnel, earlier today and he said he thinks the Sonics have more flexibility than any team he can ever remember because they own the 31st and 35th picks. It gives them means to fill out their roster with talented players on short-term contracts, or potentially pull off a trade and move up. Or, they could take one guy now and draft a project from overseas, much like Gelabale. Dave also told me the only top-notch player they will bring in besides Oden and Durant is Acie Law. Read what you want into that.”
May 28th, 2007 at 8:49 pm
The logical inference is that Seattle is interested in moving into the mid-to-late first round for a chance at Acie Law. Not eactly the pass-first type of point guard everyone seems to want, but he is a leader and a true gamer.
May 28th, 2007 at 8:53 pm
Having Law on the Sonics would be ironic considering the battle he and Durant had against each other in college.
May 28th, 2007 at 9:16 pm
It would be nice to trade high enough to get Acie Law to go along with Durant, but, I think that trading up high enough to get the kid from Eastern WA (Stuckley) is more realistic. If the mock drafts are correct, we could land him between 20th and 31st… I say we go after him, and then seek some veteran defensive stoppers in the free agency market.
There are some rumors that the Ivaroni/Griffin combo is more interested in interviewing in Seattle now that we have will land one of the top two guys in the draft. That’s good news for us. Also, another rumor that was announced on ESPN today was that Portland also wants to trade up for another high pick (maybe as high as 3rd) to try to reunite Oden and Connelly in the pros. ESPN said that most everybody is touchable on that team except for Aldridge and Brandon Roy. If they trade up for Connelly, we should take a stab at landing Jarrett Jack. I don’t understand why they aren’t investing in him as their future point. He still has Sam Cassell-like potential to me.
This rivalry is heating up!!
May 28th, 2007 at 9:33 pm
What, so if the Blazers get Conley, they’d just give us Jack? I don’t think so. The article I read says that the Hawks want to take Conley because they’ve been burned passing on Chris Paul & Deron Williams. And that if they were to trade the 3rd pick, they’d want Roy or Alridge, who the Blazers aren’t going to trade. I don’t see them getting Conley unless the Hawks pass up on him and the Blazers get the 4th pick from Mephis in exchange for a bunch of crap & Zach Randolph.
See, that’s the thing with the Blazers and potential trades. They don’t want to trade anybody that other teams want besides Randolph and most teams aren’t too big on Randolph due to his attitude. So how are the Blazers going to pull off all these deals I keep hearing about? “Hey, how about you guys take these guys we don’t want for a top notch player. Oh, Zach Randolph? He’s great. You’ll love him. We just don’t like him.” Give me a break.
May 28th, 2007 at 9:55 pm
I can’t say I know too much about any of the candidates, but I’ve been reading “Seven Seconds or Less” and it mentions Iavaroni’s endless film study and analytic style. He also appears to know how to communicate well with his players (likely learned from Riley and D’Antoni). Combine him with a top assistant with a more heuristic style and I think we can be successful. I can’t say that I give him much more recommendation than any of the others, but I’d definitely be pleased and excited about the decision.
I also wouldn’t mind seeing Carlisle hired. I can’t say the same for PJ.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:43 pm
You guys read this article in the pi?
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/basketball/317617_sonicsgone29.html
It’s some non sports reporter wondering what it will be like “when” the sonics leave. he basically says that the town we go through a long basketball hangover much like kansas city and san diego. but what is most interesting is that he cites unnamed sources who say that it is almost certain that the sonics are leaving and that when that happens the nba isn’t going to be looking here for a long time. i bet the 2nd part is true, but where is this guy getting his info from? he says that sources close to the story are basically calling it a done deal. Is there anyway we can find out who this guy has talked to? Reading this stuff really annoys me.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:48 pm
I’m going to try to not get too high or too low with all the stuff I read. I realize thought that we are fighting a gigantic uphill battle and that the odds are against us. I’m all for fighting for what I believe in. But if things are as set in stone as so many make it seem, we have to be the biggest group of schmucks out there. Us talking about coaches, gms, and players for a team that we have for one more year. That would be pathetic.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:56 pm
What a lame article. The only realistic prospective market he cites is Kansas City, and I fail to see how that fanbase is any better than ours. Look at NO, Memphis et al to see how an NBA franchise can be drug to the middle of the country and slowly killed. In many ways, the NBA has always been an urban, coastal sport. These middle america areas aren’t growing financially and some, such as Memphis, are traditionally attracted to college sports.
Futhermore, I wish these writers would get it through their heads: OKC is a truck stop town whose population isn’t large enough to support an NBA team longterm; the Sonics are not relocating there. Further, places like Las Vegas are out of the question, especially after the NBA Allstar game debacle last year. San Jose doesn’t seem realistic because it would be the FIFTH, count ‘em F-I-F-T-H NBA team in California, and the THIRD within a 100 mile radius of the Bay Area (San Jose, Oakland, and Sacramento would all have teams); that becomes overkill after a certain point.
As it stands right now, Kansas City is the only realistic market I’ve heard–and a weak one at that.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:29 pm
From that PI article:
“If the Sonics should go — and privately many people close to the situation expect exactly that –”
The guy has no idea what he’s talking about… I don’t know anyone that might be “privately” expecting something that would tell a reporter for the PIss
This was just an anti-sonics article attacking the the economic argument for keeping the Sonics here
For economic reasons on why the Sonics should stay here (paid for by the city council, not sports teams) check out….
http://www.saveoursonics.org/Resources/Media/tabid/356/Default.aspx?PageContentID=44
and
http://www.saveoursonics.org/Resources/Media/tabid/356/Default.aspx?PageContentID=43
May 29th, 2007 at 12:21 am
Kansas City is a strong candidate because of its offer. FREE RENT.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:28 am
“What, so if the Blazers get Conley, they’d just give us Jack? I don’t think so.”
In order for Portland to get #3. I would think Jack is included in that deal to ATL. Jack went to GT…..and they really need a PG.
May 29th, 2007 at 3:47 am
1. The Washington State Legislature shouldn’t allocate an enormous amount of financial aid to fund the construction of the King County Events Center.
2. No matter the fact that I detest Clay Bennett, it’s in his best interest to relocate the Seattle Supersonics to Kansas City, Missouri.
3. Economically, there’s no benefit to retaining the Seattle Supersonics. In fact, it’d actually hinder the economy throughout the entire area, which is due to the fact that the public financing of a new arena within this region would cost a gigantic amount of money.
4. A lot of y’all are biased toward keeping the Seattle Supersonics here; thus, I completely disregard your opinions.
May 29th, 2007 at 4:42 am
I enjoy completely disregarding your opinions as well.
May 29th, 2007 at 4:44 am
Living in Atlanta, I can sure see Billy Knight trading the #3 pick for Jack and Randolph (Atlanta has some cap room…I don’t know if this would work…perhaps Speedy Claxson and change goes back to Portland). This is something that he would do. Wow…that would be horrible.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:22 am
“4. A lot of y’all are biased toward keeping the Seattle Supersonics here; thus, I completely disregard your opinions.”
You are a junior college dropout who admittedly works at 7-11 that uses big words to try to sound smart, I have a degree in finance and economics and therefore I completely disregard your opinion, especially when you say stupid things like this…
“3. Economically, there’s no benefit to retaining the Seattle Supersonics. In fact, it’d actually hinder the economy throughout the entire area, which is due to the fact that the public financing of a new arena within this region would cost a gigantic amount of money.”
Fair enough?
May 29th, 2007 at 7:17 am
” You are a junior college dropout who admittedly works at 7-11 that uses big words to try to sound smart, I have a degree in finance and economics and therefore I completely disregard your opinion, especially when you say stupid things like this…”
OUCH.
May 29th, 2007 at 8:04 am
“Economically, there’s no benefit to retaining the Sonics.” Really? What about the lost money in the hospitality industry every year the team does not make the playoffs? What about the social services lost when the Ray of Light foundation no longer has a vested interest in this town? What about all of the other non-sports functions that a new arena would have to offer?–Business fairs, concerts, or Sabey’s idea of a global warming summit?
May 29th, 2007 at 8:44 am
I graduated from Everett Community College, genius.
May 29th, 2007 at 8:51 am
Again, several published reports by economists have indicated that sports franchises have very little financial impact on an entire region. All things considered, the small fraction that’s felt by said entities is insignificant in the whole scheme of things. Yet, if y’all want to allow your biases to consistentally get in the way of reality, then so be it; that just validates your complete and utter idiocy. People, unfortunately, tend to allow their mindsets to be determined by such things as emotional attachment rather than practicality on a frequent basis—especially since it’s a part of our nature. The difference between an intelligent individual and a doltish idiot, however, is in part due to a matter of self-awareness regarding such things.
The fact that I — unlike some of y’all, unfortunately — work within a god-awful occupation proves that most people within this ineptly operated society are imbecilic fools who have the brainpower of a mentally challeneged child who suffers from a botched lobotomy.
May 29th, 2007 at 8:57 am
Ironically, I misspelled the word “challenged” in my previous post — which, by the way, is currently in moderation — yet, I’m torn on whether I should laugh at the humor behind my mistake or, on the other hand, be completely irritated with myself for being a blockhead that can’t properly spell a simple term.
May 29th, 2007 at 9:04 am
“Again, several published reports by economists have indicated that sports franchises have very little financial impact on an entire region. ”
Several? Name one other than the Coates report.
“Yet, if y’all want to allow your biases to consistentally get in the way of reality, then so be it; that just validates your complete and utter idiocy. ”
Touche. Glad to give you an opportunity to lord it all over us poor stupid folk.
” The difference between an intelligent individual and a doltish idiot, however, is in part due to a matter of self-awareness regarding such things.”
I have a question O bodhisattva … where’s my Slurpee? Coke on the bottom, orange on top please.
May 29th, 2007 at 9:15 am
Anyway, I’ll wholeheartedly admit that I’m not well-versed in the field of macroeconomics and, moreover, a out-’n'-out dunce with regards to microeconomics; nevertheless, there are differeing opinions regardings the overall financial importance of a sports franchise (e.g., the Seattle Supersonics) within a given region (e.g., the Puget Sound). Of course, the only way to ultimately solve this debate isn’t the most desired solution; thus, none of us should worry about it too much at this point in time.
Anyhow, my vast understanding of proper grammar, syntax, and semantics — instead of the occasional “big words” that I use within a sentence — should easily substantiate my opinion that I’m a more skilled writer than anyone else here. Although my writing style can suffer from such drawbacks as redundancy and turgidity, it’s nevertheless a sound approach—especially in comparison to a lot of y’all.
Indeed, that’s just my own subjective opinion. I still stand by it, though.
May 29th, 2007 at 9:31 am
“Several? Name one other than the Coates report. ”
Okay, Steve, I’ll do that.
http://tinyurl.com/2yyppc
http://tinyurl.com/29xcml
All in all, there are several other books that support the viewpoints that are held within those publications. Yes, I’m a libertarian minarchist who advocates a huge cut in spending at the municipal, state, and federal levels; nevertheless, I’m a fan of the Seattle Supersonics. Yet, that notwithstanding, I won’t let my adoration for the team get in the way of facts.
Analogously, this situation is comparable to last summer, which was when most of y’all moronically thought that the Supersonics had a roster that would be capable of making the 2007 NBA Playoffs. I, conversely, made an unbiased observation of the ballclub and smartly predicted that the team would finish with a 32-50 record during the 2006-2007 season. In the end, ultimately, my prognostication ended up being the closest one to reality here.
Again, there are numerous instances wherein I’ve been right — and, in addition, a very select few examples in which I’ve been wrong — yet, y’all seem to be incognizant of it. That’s not my problem, though.
May 29th, 2007 at 9:36 am
What was the response to the City of Seattle’s proposals posted by Chris Grygiel on the Seattle PI’s blog regarding a new arena? My interpretation was that there was no response which is pretty sad…
May 29th, 2007 at 10:05 am
Anyone who continuously writes “y’all” is precluded from lecturing others about how smart he is.
May 29th, 2007 at 10:06 am
“Anyway, I’ll wholeheartedly admit that I’m not well-versed in the field of macroeconomics and, moreover, a out-’n’-out dunce with regards to microeconomics; nevertheless, there are differeing opinions regardings the overall financial importance of a sports franchise (e.g., the Seattle Supersonics) within a given region (e.g., the Puget Sound).”
And by quoting the two books you later did you prove this. The more macro the assessment the more close to the zero impact you’re going to get, however the governments in question shouldn’t be taking studies done to the macro level as they have zero justification to a city, county or metroplex and only minute justification to a state. They’re all talking about the big picture (macro) and I think even those most in line with keeping the teams here would agree that there’s zero impact on the national economy. However, does it hurt Queen Anne if the Sonics aren’t in Seattle? Does it hurt Seattle if the Sonics aren’t in Seattle? Does it hurt King County if the Sonics aren’t in Seattle? The undeniable answer to all these questions is yes.
None of these books actually addresses the mitigation done around these arenas and thus act as though those buiildings have to act on thier own, which is a serious flaw in thier thinking (or more apt a serious component of what they’re trying to get across with thier writing). There’s also never mention of the money multiplier or its converse which I don’t expect most to inheriently get on first glance.
May 29th, 2007 at 10:27 am
Well, the contraction y’all is short for the phrase “you all,” which is a plural second-person pronoun that’s essential to the English language. Etymologically, y’all stems from the vernacular dialect that’s located within a less than stellar region of the United States of America (i.e., the South); nonetheless, that fact doesn’t discredit its usage by people such as myself.
May 29th, 2007 at 10:46 am
While y’all are arguing about micro and macro issues, i’d like to mention a thought regarding the report that Acie Law will be brought in for a workout.
Makes me wonder if there’s some serious legs to the Collison to the Bulls for pick #9 rumor? First glance at hoopshype shows the Bulls will be slightly under the cap if Nocioni is renounced. Could the Bulls absorb some of Collison’s contract and give back a lesser one such as Duhon (included with the 9th pick)? Duhon’s deal will expire after next season, so such a move would give the Sonics quite a bit more cap room next summer if Rashard is allowed to walk. This could be quite an attractive scenario for a new GM looking to have future roster flexibility.
I’m a doltish imbecile when dealing with the base compensation issues, so any antagonistic feedback on this thought would be appreciated.
May 29th, 2007 at 10:49 am
The Sonics might have to kick in one of this years 2nd rounders to get the Bulls to bite.
May 29th, 2007 at 10:56 am
Geez, After reading that story I bet ClayClay goes and courts San Diego.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:26 am
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May 29th, 2007 at 11:29 am
We would sorely miss Collisons rebounding to the point that I would not do that deal. I think Duhon would be great - but I would not do that unless Portland pulls a fast one and picks Durant (hence, we get Oden).
May 29th, 2007 at 11:45 am
“The Sonics might have to kick in one of this years 2nd rounders to get the Bulls to bite. ”
“I’m a doltish imbecile when dealing with the base compensation issues, so any antagonistic feedback on this thought would be appreciated. ”
I’m not as much of an expert at BYC as some but let’s reason it out together. Duhon at around $3 mil for next year. Collison next year at $5.75 mil but I believe his BYC number would be 50% of this year’s salary, $2.875 mil. Draft picks have no $ trade value, so it seems to me that trade would work under the cap, but in terms of talent exchange Duhon and Law for Nick Collison seems a bit skewed in Seattle’s favor…maybe not if the Sonics added in the #31 if there’s a player there Chicago really likes.
Would Duhon get enough run to make it worth giving up Collison and could Law help right away? Tough to say as Nick is the best help defender on the team right now. It’s worth considering though.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:59 am
“Yes, I’m a libertarian minarchist who advocates a huge cut in spending at the municipal, state, and federal levels;”
Well, I am not a libertarian, however I also agree with the concept of less government at just about every juncture. I am not crazy about the idea of increased taxes to fund a new arena. However, it is my understanding that most of the taxes will come from tourism streams (car rentals and such, hotels etc). So really it sounds like King County would be pretty smart to run the expense off onto tourists, therefore tourists can decide for themselves whether or not they want to pay the tax by choosing to visit King County or visiting somewhere else with their discretionary/travel dollars. It sounds like making the best of a imperfect situation. I do however think the better way would be for private investment, but that would require willing parties to pony up investment cash on what would probably be a poor investment.
Whatever the outcome, it would be a shame for the Sonics if they are pulled away by a crafty out of town owner.
On Tate’s thread, I would be willing to give up Collison if we get good value back for him in a trade with Chicago. Big Rob is going to need minutes at the 5, along with Sene, and Petro can backup the 4 probably better than the 5. But if we take back Duhon and then get Acie L. we would have 4 pg’s on the roster. Hmmm.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:24 pm
Why is AK even on this site devoting countless hours of his opinion with that seemingly anti-Sonics attitude.
Isn’t this supposed to be a fan site?
You don’t sound like a fan most of the time, more of a pessimistic life-hater who…oh, wait, 7-11. I be a hater too.
“…where’s my Slurpee? Coke on the bottom, orange on top please.”
hehe
Clerks called, they’re looking for extras for a third movie. I know someone that might fit the description.
“Mutha-mutha f***, mutha-mutha f***, who’s a mutha-f***? We some muthaf***’s…15 bucks little man… ah, that’s enough, I gotta go find Jay and Silent Bob Strikes Back real quick…
May 29th, 2007 at 12:30 pm
“Anyhow, my vast understanding of proper grammar, syntax, and semantics — instead of the occasional “big words” that I use within a sentence — should easily substantiate my opinion that I’m a more skilled writer than anyone else here. Although my writing style can suffer from such drawbacks as redundancy and turgidity, it’s nevertheless a sound approach—especially in comparison to a lot of y’all.”
Well, Everett CC grad, I have to hand it to you, you certainly are quite proud of your linguistic capabilities. I would, however, warn you that I would gladly face up to you in the arena, had I more time. I did spend 4 years as an English teacher, have an English Teaching Degree, and am quite sound in my writing technique.
Plus I avoid “y’all” as much as possible. Far to informal for my standard register of writing.
Anyway, point being, don’t get too full of yourself. You provide some interesting points, but you bog them down with a hubris unbecoming of a community college grad.
“Indeed, that’s just my own subjective opinion. I still stand by it, though. ” — As do I.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:36 pm
I like this trade:
http://realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=3847522
Luke for Josh?
Anyone think Ron Lewis is worth taking a look at for the #35 pick?
http://draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=1135
I want to know if there is any possibility of trading up to the #3 pick with Atlanta? Is there anything we could offer to make that work? Wilcox, Luke and 2nd round pick? Conley would be worth the cost? Maybe?
May 29th, 2007 at 12:52 pm
I would not do that unless Portland pulls a fast one and picks Durant (hence, we get Oden).
Yes, I think the deal would likely be contingent on Oden falling to the Sonics.
But if we take back Duhon and then get Acie L. we would have 4 pg’s on the roster. Hmmm.
Duhon’s really a combo 1-2 and would be a better fit in the three guard line-up than having Luke & Earl on the court together. Also, it’d only be for one season… Law could spend next season in the D-League if need be. More likely, this move would open up the possibility of packaging Ridnour or Watson with one of the young bigs for a vet big man… Roster consolidation.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:07 pm
D. Tate–
Acie Law is not a D-League player. A common pattern of players who go to the D-League is that they have little college or NBA experience. Some guys are international players, and others are guys who barely miss getting drafted like Sacramento’s Pooh Jeter or Portland’s Martell Webster. Acie Law played for four years. He’s an NBA starter for many teams even if he does hit a rookie wall at some point during the season.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:21 pm
Vinny–
I still like the idea of a Luke Ridnour (plus a throw in player–maybe Sene) for Raymond Felton of Charlotte (plus a throw in player). Felton’s a little bit underrated as a point, and his 7.0 assists per game would help us out. IMO both Charlotte and Portland have some desireable players (excluding Zach Randolph)…
May 29th, 2007 at 1:37 pm
“Law could spend next season in the D-League if need be. More likely, this move would open up the possibility of packaging Ridnour or Watson with one of the young bigs for a vet big man… Roster consolidation. ”
Absolutely you’d trade one of those two guys if you managed to snag Acie Law in the draft. He’s not a project that still needs time to grow or learn the game … the D league would be a waste of time for him.
On a semi-related note if the Sonics do manage to land Sam Presti as GM it’ll be interesting to see if that Argentinian connection comes with him.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:05 pm
I hope that everyone is writing to politicians, letters to the editor, etc. about the potential move. Bashing AK is wasted energy that could be directed toward politicians who think like he thinks in logical, well-written letters…
May 29th, 2007 at 2:07 pm
Misc. thoughts. Zabian Dowdell. Please check out draftexpress’s profile on him. They have the Sonics taking him at #35. He sounds like someone worthy of the second round pick if they can’t get Rodney Stuckey at #31(it looks like Stuckey could easily go in the first round). He was a first team ACC selection. He’s way under the radar but it looks like that will change. I know it’s silly to get hyped up over someone based on reports, but draftexpress make this guy sound like the steal of the draft.
I do like Chris Duhon as a player, mostly for his defense. I watched a game between the Bulls and Nets where Skiles assigned 6′1″ Duhon to guard Vince Carter. He did such a good job of one on one agaianst Carter that after a while Carter got into one of his moods where he dissapeared and was inneffective.
But defense is where the Sonics sorely lack, and giving up Nick Collison, their best interior defender is something I really don’t want to do, even if I do think that there’s no untouchable players on the Sonics(until after the draft).
Mind you, Acie Law wouldbe a good tandem to go along with Duhon, so Seattle would definitely be getting value in return.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:20 pm
Here is a set of questions:
By fall of 2008 how many above average defenders should Sonics management strive to have in top 8 players? Spurs and Pistons rule with probably at least 5 each. Maybe you can have a different design but can you go far without at least 3? How many to the Sonics have right now? Are Watson, Gelabale, Collison average for league / above for team or truly above average for league? How much are you willing to give up to increase this number? Ieally the best trades from where Sonics are now would be to increase team defense without significantly decreasing offense. This calls for 2way strong players like Detroit and San Antonio. We can hope Durant is one? Been awhile since they drafted one that I’d call fully 2way strong. 90s teams had them.
How much can coach and system improve defensive effectiveness of players vs. the concept of their individual size, skill, concentration, hunger to play defense being somewhat bounded / already established? Of course that depends on who the coach is and who the players are.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:27 pm
The most important defensive player on the court is the point guard.
Remember how much havoc GP created with his defense of the opposing point guards?
This type of defense has been missing since the trade.
I think #1 priority for the SUPES is a defensive capable point guard that can also run the team and dish!
Maybe we could trade for all of GP’s backups, we already have Watson, all we need to get are Snow and Shammond. JK…
May 29th, 2007 at 2:29 pm
I was also thinking that the Cavs to some extent represent a case study of importing San Antonio managers and system as Seattle now contemplates. Ferry and Brown had extensive background so they can’t be simply called San Antonio products but looking at the Cavs how good a grade would you give Ferry for personnel changes including Hughes and Varejao and Brown/system for defensive efficiency improvement vs credit to Hughes and Varejao as players?
May 29th, 2007 at 2:37 pm
Speaking Of Hughes………
He has had some recent success playing the point…….
He is defensive capable.
Any way we could pry him away from Cleveland?
His salary seems to be pretty high though….almost as much as Ray Allens salary. GEEZ Louise…
May 29th, 2007 at 2:39 pm
Cavs go with Hughes /Snow for 75% of playoff PG.
I agree with strong impact of good defense PG and seek it.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:45 pm
This trade for Hughes works, But is it too high a price? Even considering the new talent coming our way in the draft?
http://realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=3848237
May 29th, 2007 at 3:00 pm
OK - so I have been playing with the trade checker……
Just wanted to mention that the salaries work…..
Ray Allen & Chris Wilcox for Kevin Garnett?
http://realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=3848329
I know I know, a pipe dream…
May 29th, 2007 at 3:02 pm
Hughes’ high cost and injury frequency and not spectucular shooting or passing are valid criticisms of acquiring him and I dont think Cavs plan to give him up at least until Gibson is more established, if at all.
There arent many big, defense competent PGs. I won’t rehash the real or conversion project names discussed before right now. Maybe Lenny can get Acie Law or another in the draft. We’ll see what he does he does there or in a trade. Or if he stands pat with Sund’s work at that position. How difficult it would be to change is a little hard to tell. I would guess most or all GMs will wait to see how they look in December before making a good bid.
May 29th, 2007 at 3:06 pm
Swift / Collison / Sene
Garnett / Petro
Durant/ Gelabale
Wilkens? / SG to be named later
Luke/ Earl? (trade for upgrade here)
May 29th, 2007 at 3:09 pm
“The most important defensive player on the court is the point guard.”
Actually your Center is your most important defensive player on the court. He’s the guy that can see the entire court as he’s the last line of defense.
On offense its a more palatable arguement.
May 29th, 2007 at 3:24 pm
Vinny on your 3 for 1 for Hughes I dont think Sonics would do it despite the call for roster consolidation. As for impact… I dont know. A healthy Hughes may be a fairly big reason Cleveland climbed to 4th best defense this season over the lesser defense efficiency in his more heavily injured 05-06 season.
Interesting per 48 minutes Wilkens was pretty close to Hughes on pts , rebs assts. . Not surprisng as they are both SF size and skill set. Hughes might have best handle and most experience playing with the ball but Wilkens (and Gelabale ) might improve if pressed into it. But until a coach wants them to do it it isnt worth more time on that longshot idea. I’d much prefer a real PG too. With size ideally but the leadership and performance both sides of the ball are what counts and if a smaller guy can do it, great.
May 29th, 2007 at 3:28 pm
“Speaking Of Hughes………
He has had some recent success playing the point…….
He is defensive capable.
Any way we could pry him away from Cleveland?”
Why would you want to? Larry Hughes is a terrible player considering his salary. I can think of a ton of options I’d rather pursue before bringing him on board.
May 29th, 2007 at 3:29 pm
If you had a strong PG / C defensive tandem to go with strong offensive wings I think as a team you may end up with something good. It is still different from having lots of strong 2 way players. More like 04-05 with Daniels and Fortson/James in the mixes.
May 29th, 2007 at 4:02 pm
“Misc. thoughts. Zabian Dowdell. Please check out draftexpress’s profile on him. They have the Sonics taking him at #35. He sounds like someone worthy of the second round pick if they can’t get Rodney Stuckey at #31(it looks like Stuckey could easily go in the first round).”
I’ve heard Dowdell could sneak up as high as top 10-15. The guy is 19 and he can jump out of the gym…
May 29th, 2007 at 4:14 pm
I have checked him a couple times and think he would make sense to bring in for a private (perhaps group) workout.
May 29th, 2007 at 4:21 pm
I’ve heard Dowdell could sneak up as high as top 10-15. The guy is 19 and he can jump out of the gym…
There are 5 results on youtube when I searched for his name.
Some of his plays look really good. You really have to watch close though to find him in these movies.
May 29th, 2007 at 4:48 pm
I hate the idea of trading Collison and a 2nd rounder for Duhon/Law. First of all, we have Chris Duhon on the roster — his name is Earl Watson. That 2nd rounder should net someone equal or better than both of those guys in this draft.
Collison, as mentioned, is our best interior defender and has improved his numbers across the board each year. He is exactly the type of glue player (weakside defense, rebounds, charges, etc.) that this team needs. Law is not a great defender and really only found his shooting touch this year. The 5.0 apg and 2.6 topg suggests that he’s not a great distributor. I think he’ll be a servicable player in the NBA — but he’s not great at anything (size, quickness, shooting).
May 29th, 2007 at 5:15 pm
Dowdell’s reported 6′9 wingspan would be typical of many 6′5 6′6 guys. 2 inches more than also long armed Watson, but 3 inches less than long armed Wilkins.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:21 pm
Duhon is indeed a lot like Watson was previously and exact same listed height/wingspan. Watson hits more shots and plays better D than during stretches of last season and you already Duhon as suggested. But if he doesnt…then you don’t.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:44 pm
in above should be … already have equivalent of Duhon
May 29th, 2007 at 7:25 pm
All right, I apologize for inciting several of you guys with my acerbic temper. It, however, was downright entertaining for me to read your critical responses concerning my position regarding the King County Events Center.
Yet, no matter the fact that I’m a self-professed anarcho-capitalist and libertarian minarchist who advocates frugality with regards to public spending at the municipal, state, and federal level, I still support the Seattle Supersonics with every fabric of my being. Hell, I love the team just like everyone else who takes the time to participate at SonicsCentral—there’s no denyin’ it!
Anyway, here’s a trade proposal wherein Nick Collison is traded from the Seattle Supersonics to the Chicago Bulls that I’ve previously posted on here.
FROM CHICAGO
PG Chris Duhon ($3,248,000)
SF Adrian Griffin ($1,593,000)
FROM DALLAS
PG Steve Logan (Draft Rights)
FROM SEATTLE
PF Nick Collison ($2,875,000 Incoming Value & $5,750,000 Outgoing Value) [Base Year Compensation Player]
TO CHICAGO
PF Nick Collison ($2,875,000 Incoming Value & $5,750,000 Outgoing Value) [Base Year Compensation Player]
PG Steve Logan (Draft Rights)
TO DALLAS
SF Adrian Griffin ($1,593,000)
TO SEATTLE
PG Chris Duhon ($3,248,000)
http://realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=3828111
At any rate, however, I don’t expect John Paxson to deal the 9th pick in the 2007 NBA Draft to the Seattle Supersonics in a trade that’s centered around Nick Collison. Instead, my guess is that Paxson will select power forward Joakim Noah at that spot, since he’d be an adequate replacement for unrestricted free-agent P.J. Brown. That’s just my opinion, though.
May 29th, 2007 at 9:23 pm
What do you guys think of the idea of trading for Raymond Felton of the Bobcats?
May 29th, 2007 at 9:30 pm
“What do you guys think of the idea of trading for Raymond Felton of the Bobcats?”
I don’t think we have close to the pieces to get it done.
I like Felton a lot, sadly so do they.
May 30th, 2007 at 10:00 am
Just wanted to mention that the salaries match:
Andre Miller & Andre Iguodala for Chris Wilcox & Earl Watson?
Maybe mix in some draft picks to make it work.
We would end up with 3 superior guards, and Luke as a solid(?) backup.
Front court: Durant, Lewis?, Collison, Swift, Wilkens, Gelabale, Sene, Petro
That seems like a pretty good 12 man roster to me.
May 30th, 2007 at 10:47 am
Just wanted to mention that the salaries match:
Andre Miller & Andre Iguodala for Chris Wilcox & Earl Watson?
Maybe mix in some draft picks to make it work.
You’d have to mix in Durant or Oden to make that work for Philly. Iggy ain’t gonna be dealt.
June 19th, 2007 at 12:24 pm
Steve
No! You shouldn’t do that!