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57 Responses to “3/16/08 Box Score: Sonics 116 Nuggets 168”

1. Brian Robinson Says:
   March 17th, 2008 at 6:39 am

   If the team continues to play like this the whole concept of a boycott may get easier…this is terrible, terrible basketball. How the NBA can be anything but deeply disturbed by what is going on in Seattle is amazing. The problems here run very, very deep. At the end of the day this situation is hurting the product.

2. Otto Says:
   March 17th, 2008 at 7:16 am

   Blah

3. Lester Says:
   March 17th, 2008 at 7:23 am

   Man, that box score looks like a crime scene.

4. dave Says:
   March 17th, 2008 at 7:32 am

   Let’s never ever speak of this again.

5. The Big Dipper Says:
   March 17th, 2008 at 7:47 am

   We got more than twice as many offensive rebounds as Denver did!

   How often do you see 2 teams each getting over 100 FGA in a 48-minute game these days? That used to be fairly common, way back when.

6. Sonicsman Says:
   March 17th, 2008 at 8:20 am

   Wow what a pathetic game!! This team was set up to fail and I can’t believe the NBA won’t see that. These guys were playing hard at the beginning of the season but the tools are just not thier and it is hard for them to stay motivated. No matter what the outcome is in Seattle with Sonics, one thing is certain and that is PJ won’t be around much longer.

7. Scott Says:
   March 17th, 2008 at 8:27 am

   To a man they should be embarrassed. Denver took thier wills about 2 minutes in and with the exception of one block from Mo did anyone else notice anyone even get slightly physical?

   Marshall was dead right in the TNT this weekend about this team having clicques and not being together and PJ doing nothing to try to fix it (in fact he basically told Marshall he was wrong and that he felt the team was really together).

   It’ll be interesting because at this point I think we’re looking at a really long rebuilding project because this team is terrible and there’s nothing I see that’s going to change that around soon.

8. EJ Says:
   March 17th, 2008 at 8:39 am

   I am CONVINCED that hiring PJ was no different in trading Ray in being designed massively screw up this team and turn away Seattle fans.

9. EJ Says:
   March 17th, 2008 at 8:47 am

   http://www.movievillains.com/archives/2003/10/rachel_phelps.html

10. Scott Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 8:54 am

    Whats really scary is watching the game I’m convinced the game wasn’t as close as the score indicated. How often can you lose by 52 and say that?

11. SeeJ Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 9:02 am

    FG - 8-12
    3pt - 0-0
    FT - 7-9
    23 Pts.

    Normally, I’d be pretty happy to see that kind of scoring line from him…

12. Adam Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 9:11 am

    Isn’t this the kind of game that gets coaches fired?

    Or does PJ get a free pass this year? Listen, I understand the need for continuity, but 168 points?

13. Steve Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 9:13 am

    Wow, that is one of the ugliest box scores ever.

14. Otto Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 9:13 am

    Kevin Durant has stepped up his game. Seeing the 0-0 from the 3 pt line is very encouraging.

15. Otto Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 9:15 am

    Milwaukee’s Paper Bag protest (pictures included):

    http://realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=772761&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

16. maand1 Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 9:18 am

    Fire the coach NOW…

17. phenom Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 9:28 am

    I blame previous management’s failed “three year rebuilding plan” and Bennett’s current roster restructuring. The Sonics could compete with Wally and Thomas around, but their replacements can only warm the bench. I look forward to installing Beasley, Rose or Mayo into the lineup and free-agency is a way for Presti to lure a Brand, Marion or J. Oneal type star.

18. Vinny Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 9:32 am

    Try a paper bag contest in the Key Arena and the SWAT team will probably be called in.

19. Scott Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 9:37 am

    “I blame previous management’s failed “three year rebuilding plan” and Bennett’s current roster restructuring.”

    Which three year rebuilding plan was that? We’ve never rebuilt, sadly this is the first year since the early 90’s where we weren’t in some way shape or form trying to retool with what we previously had.

    “The Sonics could compete with Wally and Thomas around, but their replacements can only warm the bench.”

    Which makes you wonder exactly what Presti was thinking. Sorry I’m not drinking the boy genius Kool-Aid anymore.

    “I look forward to installing Beasley, Rose or Mayo into the lineup and free-agency is a way for Presti to lure a Brand, Marion or J. Oneal type star.”

    I got some ocean front property in Oklahoma for ya…..

    With our luck we’d draft Mayo and sign Marion then have our four best assets able to consistently play 2 positions well.

    Seattle, where amazingly sucking happens!

20. Clint Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 9:43 am

    I would buy season tix in a heartbeat (assuming the team is here next year) if we landed Brand.

    Luke (hey, he’s a pass-first pg that did fine hiding in the backcourt with a legit 2 guard in Ray leading the scoring).
    Derek Rose/OJ
    KD
    Brand
    Wilcox/Collison (out of place, but if they run and gun, either could flourish.

    Oh man, the Sonics would be 500 times more respectable on and off the court if they acquired Brand.

    Beasley is great, but doesn’t really fit into what the Supes seem to be doing in trying to have KD be the anchoring scorer/franchise player. KD will avg 25 in 3-4 years, and there has to be enough shots available to accommodate it.

21. Ricky - Sixers4guidos Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 9:43 am

    “I’m blaming this loss on Luke Ridnour and Donyell Marshal both going 0 for 4 from the floor. It’s totally on them”

    LOL

    If this makes you feell better my Sixers lost by 50 last year as well, 124-74, at home (…) vs the Rockets. I watched live until the end and it wasn’t nice either…

    I hope for you guys that next year’s Sonics can make a run like Sixers are doing this year

22. Myk Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 9:49 am

    I am CONVINCED that hiring PJ was no different in trading Ray in being designed massively screw up this team and turn away Seattle fans.

    - I just don’t get why everyone didn’t feel this way when he was hired. PJ is one of the most overrated coaches (even from a college perspective) that I find.

    “I look forward to installing Beasley, Rose or Mayo into the lineup and free-agency is a way for Presti to lure a Brand, Marion or J. Oneal type star.”

    - O’Neal is not a FA, and it is most likely that Marion or Brand will not opt out cause they’d definately be taking a paycut.

    Normally, I’d be pretty happy to see that kind of scoring line from him…

    - Lost in all their amazing suckiness and the Arena issue is that KD is really showing his first signs of growth and improvement. It’s mid March and he is shooting over 50% from the floor. It would be helpful if the coaching staff had him focus more on getting rebounds and what not. However, at this point I truly believe that with better coaching Durant would be putting up better numbers.

    Also…I watched the Houston/Laker game yesterday and I continue to find it odd that people compare Durant to McGrady as if it is a slap in the face. McGrady didn’t even have a good game last night, but he controls the game. Even when we had Ray on the team it didn’t feel like the Sonics had a player who could effect the will of the game like a superstar of McGrady’s caliber. If Durant turns out to be on TMac’s level I will be happy with his development.

23. Big_Worm Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 9:52 am

    What do the Kevin Durant haters (AK, tBD, etc.) who had written off Durant’s career because of his ‘inefficient game’ have to say about the fact that KD is shooting 52% in March? Do you still think he’s fatally flawed? Also, what about the fact that the Sonics are only have one win in that time. Was KD’s shooting really the thing that was holding us back.

    And another thing, what about how Tracy’s McGrady’s team is playing right now? Isn’t McGrady similarly doomed to mediocrity?

24. kba Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 9:53 am

    Maybe we better rethink that expansion team. That can’t be any worse. LOL

25. D Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 10:08 am

    This team has no heart right now and they have given up. This is a direct reflection of PJ’s poor coaching and they lack of faith and respect they have in him. I agree with previous posters…PJ was hired because he has no ties to Seattle, he would be the puppet for Presti and Bennett and they would fail miserably. I guarantee if they had hired Dwayne Casey the team would play hard for him every night and they would be 10-15 games better.

26. SeeJ Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 10:09 am

    Winning culture!

27. Clint Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 10:12 am

    seriously - why the hate for KD? He’s a highly talented rookie with No mentor on a team that has been ravaged on and off the court.

    When the game is on the line, there is no other palyer I want to have the ball in their hands. Watson kills me here far too often.

    KD is the truth, and if he had Ray or Rashard around to help him out (or both), his hsortcomings wouldn’t be so magnified. He’s done great given the circumstances.

28. Clint Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 10:18 am

    FIRE PJ. WHEN we are able to secure the Sonics in Seattle, our next push should be for the firing of PJ. This Bennett goon’s sole mission is to do everything possible to not win games.

    The Denver game is the most horrid, embarassing coaching I’ve ever witnessed on any level.

    We need a coaching/advising team of Lenny Wilkens, Dwayne Casey, Det Shrempf, and hell, Shawn Kemp (to work with the big men). Crap, call Bob Hill. He seemed to be a great assistant coach…

    Big dreams for a Ballmer-owned Sonics…

29. Eric E Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 10:19 am

    Thank you Ricky-Sixers. There are only a couple of sports cities on par with Seattle’s pain and those are Philadelphia and Cleveland.

    I went to a Phillies game last summer. I like your stadium!!

30. Scott Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 10:25 am

    “We need a coaching/advising team of Lenny Wilkens, Dwayne Casey, Det Shrempf, and hell, Shawn Kemp (to work with the big men).”

    Yay, lets bring in all the retread hacks of our past.

    PS, I’d rather try to hire a guy like Tony Bennett or this guy.

    http://www.nba.com/celtics/roster/coaches/tom-thibodeau.html

31. Myk Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 10:59 am

    Rick Carlisle is still the best available coach for our team. He does all the things people claim PJ does…and is actually successful.

32. Myk Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 11:07 am

    I wonder if this game is at least enough evidence to the coaching staff/front office that we are not and should not be a fast paced team.

33. Scott Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 11:15 am

    “I wonder if this game is at least enough evidence to the coaching staff/front office that we are not and should not be a fast paced team.”

    No, we’ll try to outrun Phoenix and Golden State.

    Actually I expect nearly every team to try to get into an up and down game with us the rest of the way. Try to get up 10 and see if we quit.

34. Ricky - Sixers4guidos Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 11:16 am

    Eric E,

    thanks but I live in Italy, the Phillies stadium is an ocean away from my town, LOL !!!

35. coffeestain Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 11:21 am

    US Market Down Again After Early Rally…Click For Updates… Bush: “We’re In Challenging Times”… Dollar At Record Lows…European Stocks Fall 2-3%, Asian Stocks Down 3-5%…Fed Cuts Rate Again…
    and the nba is moving from the 12 market………….

36. Laporbo Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 11:29 am

    So other than NOT burying the city in emails and phone calls what is going on?

    Has everyone conceded? No updates or info for days.

37. Vinny Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 11:29 am

    GEEZ!
    Delonte West is playing good for Cleveland.
    He looks like a totally different player.
    Channel Z looks the same as always.

38. Mr. Baker Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 11:33 am

    Though I do not know Scott Brooks personally, I do know that he was interviewed for the head coaching job, is on the staff, and bennett is doing things on the cheap so he can pay Slade Gordon’s bills when he loses, I think that is who you see in Seattle next year as head coach.
    PJ has a seat on the Paul Silas bus out of coaching, away from an unhappy Gatorade/Nike spokeman that isn’t gettig face-time on ESPN/ABC because the team stinks so bad, with no glimmer of short turn around coming from PJ or Bennett.

    And still, how many OKC fans would ride out a downturn like this with zero history?

    Q. blah, blah, blah, terminate lease end of the 6th season, blah, blah, blah, if ticket revenue in the preceeding two years falls below 85% of the first two years of revenue blah, blah, blah CPI 3%, blah, blah, blah.

39. Vinny Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 11:38 am

    Good point Mr. Baker.

    Why isn’t Gatorade/Nike complaining about the situation here in Seattle? I am sure they have some pull within the league, and obviously they have interest in what happens.

40. Mr. Baker Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 11:41 am

    I agree with Myk, “Rick Carlisle is still the best available coach for our team.”

    They could have hired him 6 years ago, rather than have him do the broadcasts, Blazers could have hired him, but they went with MOre Cheeks, and the O’Brian wrecking ball has plowed through the eastern seaboard, destroying everything in it’s path, how many people want to keep cleaning up after that guy?

    Really soon the players will ignore the coach and just play, there should be a little bump there, in spite of PJ, not because of.

41. courtsense Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 11:43 am

    I say NO THANKS to anything involving Lenny Wilkins and Detlef Schrempf.

42. Mr. Baker Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 11:45 am

    Vinny, if the situation can not be fixed, then he will leave, one way or another, no matter where bennett owns a team.

    The closer they get to the possibility of playing in OKC, the worse they care about playing. No cause and effect, just saying that it just happens to be at about the same time. There isn’t a connection, though I encourage the OKC townfolk to fell offended anyway.

43. Mr. Baker Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 11:47 am

    I guess we can anticipate PJ next to Angie Mentik, next to Bob, next to Casey, next to invisible, pretty soon.

    Rebuilding the “right way”.

44. KevinDurant35 Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 11:54 am

    Donyell Marshall should get 27-35 minutes a night.

45. Balloholic Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 11:57 am

    “Donyell Marshall should get 27-35 minutes a night.”

    Between water aerobics, product testing for Craftmatic and three brisk walks per day, Donyell’s day is pretty booked. He might do it if the team threw in a Rascal.

46. Mr. Baker Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 11:59 am

    the team doesn’t have to throw in the Rascal, he can get that through medicare, and cover the difference on his AARP gap insurance.

47. Sonicsman Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    Took this comment from my blog, thought is was interesting. The first part was a comment and then the big paragraph is my response, see if anyone can guess who left the short comment at the beginning.

    “do you think that the ownership group is not trying to do something?”

    I would say that Sonics fans clearly think the ownership is doing little to fix the teams terrible blowouts. We never hear any reactions publicly from Sonics Owners about the teams play. Not saying they don’t care but sometimes it is not what is intended it’s what it percieved and the ownership does not have a reaction about the current losing. We see owners like Paul Allen in Portland and Larry Miller in Utah and Donald Sterling and Jerry Buss in LA that visible and publicly get frustrated with the the teams play. With this group we only here of plans to move the team and not reaction on the teams play. This may offend the ownership but prove to once when the ownership has commented on the teams play since November 1, 2006. Howard Schultz was even very vocal about the teams play and even criticized Gary Payton publicly when the team was not playing well!

48. coffeestain Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    this is what happens when you hire a GM who played too much fantasy basketball………or was it Dungeons & Dragons?
    love those drafts picks! can i get a sam bowie: hit me now!

49. Mr. Baker Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    It is leadership coffeestain, you can lay the team’s quitting on the coach to be the fault of the draft pick if you want, but the error is not in the drafted players, but the coaching and possibly the GM hiring.
    Durant would have been a Sonic as long as Portland was drafting first. The Green thing was not the kid that was drafted, but the GM that traded for that pick, and selected him at #5.
    They did not control who picked them or why, they just played basketball and were drafted.

50. Crow Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    Sonicsman based on what has happened on your site I’d guess the comment was from Bennett’s son or his friends.

    Whether Presti intended to be top 5 pick bad (probably did) or just bad is unknown but I have to assume he knew they’d be bad after his actions (following Bennett’s direction). How bad Bennett was prepared for I don’t know. Apparently the kids weren’t fully prepared.

    Getting into a tailspin is easy. Getting out is not easy.

51. Eric E Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    What’s the record for total margin of defeat in consecutive games? Do we have a shot at that?

52. Crow Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    If Presti thought he could make those trades (to save money) and hire PJ /Westhead and win respectably this season he was overly optimistic and a fool. His whole NBA experience prior to coming here was with championship level Spurs. Good experience but he has no prior experience with bad teams, the realities of rebuilding from the bottom. But he will now.

53. Crow Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    A lot could change in 6-18 months but the odds of succeeding with a total teardown / rebuild is no better than 50/50.

54. Clint Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Psh - don’t forget who signs Presti’s paychecks.

    This is just part of detaching the Supes from Seattle fans - Presti has really made some great long term moves. He’s basically set the Sonics up to succeed 5-10 years from now - something that Bennett never intended for us to witness outside of a TNT Thursday night double header.

    Sad, but true.

    Should have kept Ray. Jeff Greene could become the next Karl Malone, and I’ll never stop thinking that. Big Baby would have been a productive pick up, too…

55. Hoooop Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    If the Ballmer group succeeds the first thing I want is a total coaching, front office house cleaning! I’ll never trust Presti because he was Bennetts guy and PJ needs to be gone NOW! Did we ever even talk to Rick Adelman?

56. MartinH Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 5:17 pm

    PJ likely gets a free pass for this game no matter what.
    But if we put up something similar against the Suns, he can’t hide anymore.

57. TukwilaSonic Says:
    March 18th, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    Rebuilding always sucks…

    but even more so when the team:

    a) didn’t have much to trade in the first place
    b) didn’t have much in place to build upon
    c) the modern draft is based on young guys who have plenty of talent but don’t know how to play and are years away except in rare cases.
    d) new owner wants to loose
    e) new GM unproven
    f) new coach can’t
    g) old commissioner hates your team and your town

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