Kid Presti Strikes Again
Posted on Wednesday, January 7th, 2009 at 4:26 pm by Scott
Thunder deal Johan Petro and a second round pick to Denver for Chucky Atkins and Denver’s first round pick.
Surge Ibaka is thrilled that his cousin will be taken with that pick.
Somewhere, I’m sure someone cares.
January 7th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
They’re getting cap room to go after a free agent or two. Good luck getting anyone to coke to Okie town HA HA HA>
January 7th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
“They’re getting cap room to go after a free agent or two.”
If that’s the goal then Presti is worse that I thought.
Petro would have been off the cap next year and the second round pick would have served as his cap hold. Now they have Atkins on the books at 3.48 million (760K buyout) and a late first round pick (more than a standard cap hold) in place instead.
My guess is this would be the precursor to a Watson deal.
January 7th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/othersports/395013_radio07.html
Great to hear KC is back in business here!
Interesting about the new competition between KJR and KIRO. KJR is going to have more financial troubles coming out of this, IMO.
January 7th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
ive said this before but while right now we are all enjoying watching oklahoma lose almost every night, easing our pain somewhat, i truly believe they are gonna be a really really good team in the next 2 to 3 years and then we will all be hurting all over again thinking what could have been and knowing they should be in seattle. my only hope is that KD will leave the second he gets a chance and that no free agents will go there. unfortunately im thinking neither of these things are true.
January 7th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
I’m thinking they are true T. After 4 years of mediocrity and hell, KD bolts as fast as he can.
January 7th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Sorry, my mistake, 3 years.
January 7th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
Somewhere, Johan Petro is smiling.
January 7th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
The economy will take this and many NBA teams down. Do not worry. We are unfortunately going to feel wise to have let the team go when the SHTF in 2009 and beyond.
January 7th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Johan Petro won’t miss that dump they call OKC
January 7th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
Durant is gone from there the second he is a free-agent! He gets no national pub living in middle of nowhereville! He will go to the highest bidder on the east or west coast!
January 7th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
Foye is tearing the Blunder a new one tonight. Huge first quarter. He’s finally gotten healthy and is starting to show some of that potential he had when the Timber pups drafted him.
January 7th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
They gave up two firsts for one and a 34 year old PG at the end of the trail. Petro would be a lottery pick in this years draft. #31 is non guaranteed and worth more than a low first. They receive a pig in the poke first sometime in the future. You never trade bigs for small. Presti, got screwed this time.
January 7th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Lottery pick? LOL
January 7th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Petro sucks. If you can get anything for him you probably did the right thing. He only made 1.9 mm so he wasn’t providing much in an expiring contract.
Atkins at 34 might still be the best guard on the team. His salary is small.
January 7th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
I hope you’re right guys! hey maybe when we get a new team he can come back here…wishful thinking?
January 7th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
“They gave up two firsts for one and a 34 year old PG at the end of the trail. Petro would be a lottery pick in this years draft. #31 is non guaranteed and worth more than a low first. They receive a pig in the poke first sometime in the future. You never trade bigs for small. Presti, got screwed this time.”
How did they give up two firsts? I think you overlook the fact that Petro is a terrible basketball player.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
Our favorite Big League City is getting destroyed in MINN tonight. Down 44 to the T-Wolves!
January 7th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
“You never trade bigs for small.” I HATE cliches like this. Would you trade Robert Swift for Chris Paul?
January 7th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
You never trade bigs for small.” I HATE cliches like this. Would you trade Robert Swift for Chris Paul?
while i this is probably about a 55-45 trade in favor of the team that shall not be named, you made about the weirdest argument anybody could possibly make…. that was like saying would you trade ryan appleby for tim duncan?
January 7th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
KD to the Blazers in a few years!!!
I guess that’s my new battle cry!
January 7th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
No Olympia love for Key Arena
According to the PU’s Strange Bedfellows blog
http://tinyurl.com/7ecunq
January 7th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
George Karl wanted to rob OKC of Petro to get back at Bennett. Now he has a replacement for Melo!!
January 7th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Kyle, I’m not sure what you are getting at. I was just pointing out how ridiculous it is to support an opinion with a hackneyed saying like “never trade big for small.” I used the hypothetical CP3 for Robert Swift exchange to illustrate how absurd that maxim is when extended to its logical extreme.
January 7th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
hey brian..
what do you think of the “no olympia love for key arena” article?i sawgov. gregoire on king 5 just friday night and she sounded very positive about key arena, even more supportive of it than husky stadium. what have you heard from your contacts with the governor? i know it is just the gov’s liason speaking, and he could be downplaying things. plus the pi tends to be biased. it just seems to me that if is was real news, or at least in the sports section.
just my thoughts
January 7th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
Congrats to Johan!
January 7th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
Sorry, on my last post, i meant “if it was real news, it would be in the sports section.” by the way, is this arena deal contingent on a team actually coming?
January 7th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
Petro sucks. If you can get anything for him you probably did the right thing. He only made 1.9 mm so he wasn’t providing much in an expiring contract.
Atkins at 34 might still be the best guard on the team. His salary is small.
- As Scott pointed out…trading the 31st pick, which allows you to pick up a player and give him a non-guaranteed contract would seem to be more valuable then the 25th pick in the draft where you have to give the guy a 3 year guaranteed contract.
If the move was just to save money then buy out and Petro and let him go for nothing.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:13 am
10,272 showed up for the game in Minny. KD went 3-13.
Those are stats I look forward to seeing after a Blunder game.
Unfortunately I think t could be right. This team will only get better, and potentially be pretty good.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:15 am
I never liked him in the green and gold but I’ve gotta give it up for Robert Swift with the old school Sonics tat on his arm. You can see it in this photo.
http://espn.go.com/nba/photos?photoId=2118530&gameId=290107016
January 8th, 2009 at 12:17 am
“This team will only get better, and potentially be pretty good.”
They don’t have any ‘worse’ to get.
Potental and 50 cents will get you a phone call.
January 8th, 2009 at 6:14 am
Westbrook is in the dunk contest???
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/allstar/2009/01/07/nba_sprite_rwestbrook_highlights.nba/index.html?player=whatsnew
January 8th, 2009 at 8:35 am
fans vote for the final entry… Westbrook is one of the nominees
January 8th, 2009 at 9:24 am
HELP!
I’m in need of some tough advice:
In a mayoral race between Licata and Nickels, would it be more proper to write in Sene or Petro?
January 8th, 2009 at 10:44 am
“Unfortunately I think t could be right. This team will only get better, and potentially be pretty good.”
I agree . . . With time, the right picks, and a little luck I believe that they may one day be good enough to make the Big-12 tournament semi-finals.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:04 am
“As Scott pointed out…trading the 31st pick, which allows you to pick up a player and give him a non-guaranteed contract would seem to be more valuable then the 25th pick in the draft where you have to give the guy a 3 year guaranteed contract.”
Point taken. But considering Melo is now out…….the 25th pick could become alot better in the next coming months. Although I think Denver is still winning without him.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:09 am
Looks like they missed Petro last night.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
t –
I have no idea what leads you to believe that the Thunder will be a good team 2 to 3 years in the future . . . but you should rest assured that your fears are not warrented. Nothing predicts losing like losing. Losing teams are much more likely to remain losing teams than to convert to winning teams. For example, the teams competing for the playoffs this year are much the same as the ones competing for the playoffs last year.
I do recall a number of comments from last year, that you feared that the Thunder would be good this year. But they are not.
While I concede that the future is unknown and anything is possible . . . why expect that the Thunder of the future will be better than other teams when all the evidence we’ve seen so far is that management has assembled talent that has set franchise records for losing and threatens to set NBA records for the same?
January 8th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
In 1995, after amassing a record of 5 wins and 13,000 loses in 42 seasons of play, the Washington Generals franchise moved from D.C. to New York.
Of course, some in D.C. after witnessing this spectacular streak of losing must have concluded that the Generals were on the verge of greatness, and that D.C. would miss being the home to the finest team in exhibition basketball . . . it turns out that the franchise just kept losing in their new home.
Go figure.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
I forgot to include the source for the above comment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Generals
January 8th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
All the Spurs needed was a bad year to get the number one pick-David Robinson…then a year where he was injured…..another number one pick awarded…..Tim Duncan….only a couple franchises..the Clippers and Grizzlies have always stuck for a long period of time.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
All the Spurs needed was a bad year to get the number one pick-David Robinson…then a year where he was injured…..another number one pick awarded…..Tim Duncan….only a couple franchises..the Clippers and Grizzlies have always stuck for a long period of time.
- There is no point in “predicting luck”…you could say that about every team…
January 8th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
“HELP!
I’m in need of some tough advice:
In a mayoral race between Licata and Nickels, would it be more proper to write in Sene or Petro?”
LOL … nice one
January 8th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
so softy just said that the blazers are looking for a station to broadcast blazer games in seattle! WTF?! does this scare/anger anyone else as much as it does me? it think it would be terrible for motivating average sports fans for bringing a new sonic team back. also, do you really care about the blazers. if i have no sonics, i’m all huskies. this pisses me off!
January 8th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Clint, I think your mayoral race answer is simple… Potter.
GO CLINT!
January 8th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Good to see a lot of traffic still on this site. I imagine that if we get some good new on the funding of KeyArena over the next month or so that we will start seeing 300 + comments on each post like when things were happening with the team when they were still here!! I feel like things are happening behind the scenes and how it all plays out may be different than we expect. I would not be surprised to see a new private arena built or at least the prospect of it put out there to be some pressure on leaders of Washington State. A new private Arena would be crippling to Seattle Center and Keyarena.
January 8th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
“I have no idea what leads you to believe that the Thunder will be a good team 2 to 3 years in the future .”
-Kevin Durant. Yes Im aware that one guy doesnt make up the whole team and win games but ya….but hopefully Im way off and we will enjoy OKC lose year after year.
January 8th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
“I feel like things are happening behind the scenes and how it all plays out may be different than we expect. ”
-I hope youre right because right now its hard to stay positive.
January 8th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
How’s that Jane’s Addiction song go … Idiots Rule?
http://tinyurl.com/94yg2g
January 8th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
“Clint, I think your mayoral race answer is simple… Potter.
GO CLINT!”
As in former UW hoops’ pine rider and fan fav Zane Potter!?
And I do think its great to have you as my personal cheer leader… thanks!
January 8th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
Ballmer could be a real hero if he wants to cobble together a few more partners and fund the whole remaining 75mill(if Seattle’s 75 mill can be freed up). The dynamics of the economy, multiple floodings etc have changed since he entered the fray. How bad does he want this to happen? We shall see.
January 8th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Mr Gates-it is NOT beneath your style-we know you like B Ball.
January 8th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
I would expect that the franchise price would now be an issue. Most assets have declined significantly invalue during the last year. Getting $350 million for an NBA franchise in this market may be a stretch. It is hard to imagine but Bennett paid $450 million by the time he got the Thunder to OKC. If he sold today, he might have trouble getting half that.
January 8th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Since stern and the nba helped in taking away Seattle’s team, shouldn’t they be covering the $30 million relocation fee for Seattle to get the Sonics back?
January 8th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
“ive said this before but while right now we are all enjoying watching oklahoma lose almost every night, easing our pain somewhat, i truly believe they are gonna be a really really good team in the next 2 to 3 years”
Can we agree that being really, really good means roughly winning 50 games?
If so, here is a list of teams that have not been really, really good for all four years:
Atlanta, Charlotte, Chicago, Golden State, Indiana, LA Clips, Memphis, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, Philadelphia, Portland, Toronto, Washington.
Here is a list of teams that went from lottery to really, really good during that span:
Boston, Houston, New Orleans, Orlando, Utah.
Sure it is possible to go from lottery to really, really good . . . but that is the exception not the rule. I don’t see why the current Thunder would be more like Group B than Group A.
January 8th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
“For all four years above” should be “for the last four years.”
As for the argument that Kevin Durant is a reason to believe that the Sonics will advance into the elite . . . I concede that in the NBA, one player can really be the differences (e.g. Chris Paul in N.O.).
However, right now, I see no reason to believe that Durant isn’t the second coming of Shareef Abdur-Rahim. I find the parallels striking. Similar numbers, similar draft pick, same quality of teammates, similar salary structure on the team.
Today’s Thunder are the reincarnation of the 1998 Vancouver Grizzlies. Durant = Abdur-Rahim, Westbrook = Bibby, Green is about the equivolent of Micheal Dickerson.
What happenned to those Grizz? In the next four seasons, they maxed-out at 28 wins.
Why should anyone expect differently from the Thunder? I’m sticking with Durant = Abdur-Rahim, until he does anything that shows otherwise.
By the way, one last parallel concerning the current Thunder and the 1998 Grizz. is that the 1998 Grizz were doomed by the fact that in the next year, they could not get their own draft pick to sign with them (Stevie Francis). What are the odds that history will repeat itself?
January 8th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
phenom i would agree with you, but there is another culprit in this who should be made to pony up the 30 mil. mr starf***s himself, the one and only seattle sellout.
January 8th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
heck id even go so far as to demand he pay the extra 75mil if he is as sorry and dissapointed as he claims. but we all know hes full of shit. last starf***s on the gold coast (that i am aware of) closed over the holidays. whilest i am sorry for the people out of work, i say good riddance and dont come back.
January 8th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
similar salary structure on the team.
Not quite. They let Petro go instead of giving him the Big Country Reeves cap killer contract.
January 8th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
You’re both right, Big Country was a dud but it was stevie franchise who put the nail in the coffin.
January 8th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
The P-U may finally, mercifully go under. SEIU loses its mouthpiece. Sorry to the staff working there and their families, but that paper long ceased to have any relevance to me.
http://tinyurl.com/89noxg
January 8th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008605989_webpi08m.html
Oh no, the pathetic P-I comments losers could be homeless.
January 8th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
Clint: “As in former UW hoops’ pine rider and fan fav Zane Potter!? And I do think its great to have you as my personal cheer leader… thanks!”
As in Portland mayor Potter.
And I am your cheerleader. I cheer you to move on to your dreamland down south and never look upon any past or future Sonics team. Just go. Down south, down under, *%(**^&, whatever. You are an embarrassment to any all Sonics fans. As proven before by someone else, you were always a pretend Sonics fan and what little pretend you had you traded away.
With utter contempt, embarrassment, and pity I say….
GO CLINT!!
January 8th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
“And I am your cheerleader. I cheer you to move on to your dreamland down south and never look upon any past or future Sonics team. Just go. Down south, down under, *%(**^&, whatever. You are an embarrassment to any all Sonics fans. As proven before by someone else, you were always a pretend Sonics fan and what little pretend you had you traded away.
With utter contempt, embarrassment, and pity I say….
GO CLINT!!”
well said, very well said.
January 8th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
“dead ball foul Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
similar salary structure on the team.
Not quite. They let Petro go instead of giving him the Big Country Reeves cap killer contract.”
true, but they can always give that to kristic
January 8th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
I was a loyal fan until the city sold my NBA team - the team my dad and I watched together religiously until he passed away a few years ago - to an OKC carpet bagger for chump change.
I picked up the Blazers because they are full of Seattle-area talent, I went to school at UW with B-Roy, and they have been in Portland since their inception.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
Clint
Saw your posts on the P-I soundoffs dogging “Will in Seattle”. Have to say your posts here sound an awfull lot like him.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
And swift = cherokee park lol.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Clint said: “HELP!
I’m in need of some tough advice:
In a mayoral race between Licata and Nickels, would it be more proper to write in Sene or Petro?”
Neither. Steve Scheffler instead.
Can you imagine having “1-2-3… PUT IN SHEF!!!” as an election catchcry? This needs to happen!
January 8th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
SUCK IT JOKLAHOMA!
The Clay Clay Karma train continues to roll! Thank you Tim Tebow!
January 8th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
I think Presti has made some very good moves but agree that the Petro trade appears to be pretty stupid on more than one level.
I’m in the camp that says the Blunder have the potential to be a very good or great team. It’s not just KD, its Westbrook, Green, a high pick this year, and other excess picks that Presti may be able to bundle to move up for a second mid to high pick this year. Westbrook looks like the real deal. He may be the next Dwyane Wade. All three of those guys have to tools to play very good to great defense. If they develop a talented core with good chemistry, KD will probably stay around.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
next year OKC will have quite a few empty seats at Ford Center
January 8th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
“Oh no, the pathetic P-I comments losers could be homeless.”–Fedup-the Homeless will ALWAYS be with us…they migrate.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
RmcD, we should make pamphlets for them telling them how great South Park…. er …. OKC is.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:36 am
While I’d love to blame the Oklaohno loss on karma, it was the Sooners’ fifth straight loss in a BCS game. So they are merely massive chokers. With the BJ epidemic running rampant in OK it isn’t hard to figure out why. Stern/Bennett, Bennett/Stern, Bennett/McLendon, McLendon/Bennett/Cornett, all of them/citizens, etc. Its a BJ-o-rama. Chokers.
January 9th, 2009 at 8:53 am
“Clint
Saw your posts on the P-I soundoffs dogging “Will in Seattle”. Have to say your posts here sound an awfull lot like him.”
Hmm… I disagree. WIS appears to be anti-pro sports that aren’t soccer; drastically misinformed about the cultural value the Sonics had in Seattle; a total moron in regard to tax money allocation; pro-Nick Licata.
To contrast: I loathe the idea of soccer in the US being considered or respected as a legit sport (it will always be an activity dominated by upper middle class white people in our country); had a tremendous appreciation for the cultural value that the NBA and Sonics had in Seattle, and respect the league for being the most culturally diverse pro sports league in our country; understand tax money allocation; detest Nick Licata and would love to see his political future drown in a sea of green and gold.
I am disgruntled that Seattle and Washington peed away their NBA team in the name of white liberal elitism, and have yet to warm to the idea of becoming pro-please-please-pretty-please-help-us-Balmer (since he already dropped that ball once), pro-Seattle Griz, pro-Seattle Hornets, or pro-Seattle Pistons. At least the Blazers have been able to remain a part of Portland and PNW without any disruption since their formation. Oh, and being led by a Seattle talent doesn’t hurt, either.
However, I do hope that somebody pro-NBA in Seattle will step forward to challenge the lying, backstabbing, in-bed-with-condo-developers Greg Nickels, and hopefully prevent Licata from assuming the throne.
January 9th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Wow…
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3820794
January 9th, 2009 at 10:16 am
“To contrast: I loathe the idea of soccer in the US being considered or respected as a legit sport (it will always be an activity dominated by upper middle class white people in our country);”
- I don’t really enjoy watching soccer…but I want to pat Clint on the back for again proving he has absolutely zero understand of how the real world works. The fact that you think soccer would always be an activity dominated by upper middle class white people is probably one of the dumbest (and you’ve said soooooooooooooooo much dumb stuff) things you’ve said on this site.
At least you are consistent man…
January 9th, 2009 at 10:35 am
That Darius Miles story is bizarre.
I don’t see how the Blazers would have a case. They’re the idiots that put that rider in his contract in the first place and now they’ll sue some other team to keep it from being enforced?
Talk about collusion.
January 9th, 2009 at 11:17 am
“- I don’t really enjoy watching soccer…but I want to pat Clint on the back for again proving he has absolutely zero understand of how the real world works. The fact that you think soccer would always be an activity dominated by upper middle class white people is probably one of the dumbest (and you’ve said soooooooooooooooo much dumb stuff) things you’ve said on this site.”
It always will in the US. Sure there will be players and maybe even teams that find success while existing outside of the realm of upper middle class white people, but they will be the exception, not the norm.
An interesting thing is happening in Cashmere, WA right now that directly relates to this. Cashmere hs has created a boy’s soccer team that will start play this spring. This movement was spearheaded by a group of upper middle class white kids’ parents, and is much to the dismay of many Spring coaches of other boy’s sports because it will likely reduce their already limited field of athletes to use.
However, the same parents that championed the hs soccer team’s creation have also been indirectly linked to attempting (and sometimes succeeding at) excluding area Hispanics from participating on their kids’ teams and leagues. There seems to be a bizarre and even racist fear that their kids will be, according to people I’ve talked with from Cashmere, “shown up by the hispanic kids”.
Soccer in the US will always be an activity dominated by upper middle class white people - both as participants and spectators. The world’s game will always remain the US’ leisure activity as a result. Unlike other US sports - and basketball in particular - soccer just lacks diversity and the athlete’s drive to truly excel.
January 9th, 2009 at 11:25 am
And this is an interesting look at soccer in the US, too:
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/03/03/80-the-idea-of-soccer/?cp=74
January 9th, 2009 at 11:36 am
Clint,
You rail against bigotry and continually exhibit it yourself. Pretty ironic isn’t it?
Regarding soccer: A lot of people thought that football, basketball, and baseball would always be dominated whites. That changed didn’t it?
Sheesh
January 9th, 2009 at 11:46 am
“Clint,
You rail against bigotry and continually exhibit it yourself. Pretty ironic isn’t it?
Regarding soccer: A lot of people thought that football, basketball, and baseball would always be dominated whites. That changed didn’t it?
Sheesh”
You miss my point entirely. I would be happy to see soccer develop into a great sport of diversity here in the US, but unfortunately, its spent a much longer time getting nowhere in our country in that regard than all of the other sports you cited.
January 9th, 2009 at 11:48 am
And I’m in no way on baseball’s cultural diversity, what with only an 8.2% African American player make-up.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
African Americans comprise approximately 13% of the U.S. population. This is so far off from 8.2%? Things other than discrimination account for the minor disparity.
Are you also against hockey, golf, bowling, Ultimate (frisbee), folf, fussball and chess? I’ll bet that you really hate Ultimate. It’s dominated by white liberals who aren’t even great athletes.
I usually try not to resort to sarcasm but couldn’t resist here. I applaud the fact that you have idealism but it is misplaced.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
“Are you also against hockey, golf, bowling, Ultimate (frisbee), folf, fussball and chess? I’ll bet that you really hate Ultimate. It’s dominated by white liberals who aren’t even great athletes.”
Yes, actually. I think of those as Licatativites.
Oh, and those douchbags that play bicycle croquate on my old Cal Anderson Park basketball court. Jerks tore up that court with their reckless, careless “create-a-sport” activity.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
“Things other than discrimination account for the minor disparity.”
Discrimination has many forms, and is always evolving - from banks redlining loan applicants based on their race to laws being established preventing certain groups of people from marrying to Oakland BART police murdering an African American by holding him face down on the ground and shooting him in the back.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
No need to pontificate about the multitudinous forms of discrimation that are present. That doesn’t relate to the subject matter here.
Do you think that the bowlers should be eliminated or maybe sentenced to gulags? Maybe you just think that all major bowling events should be picketed? Or maybe you’re for rubbing stinky bowling shoes in the faces of bowlers as they leave after league night?
What is appropriate here?
January 9th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
“Do you think that the bowlers should be eliminated or maybe sentenced to gulags? Maybe you just think that all major bowling events should be picketed? Or maybe you’re for rubbing stinky bowling shoes in the faces of bowlers as they leave after league night?
What is appropriate here?”
I don’t know enough about the bowling world to make any definitive statements. However, I do know that bowling is fairly big in the African American community, especially down south, and is gaining popularity in the hispanic community in our country. And I know that CP3 is a prolific bowler who may take the sport more seriously than bball.
Wouldn’t it be strange if bowling actually turned out to be more culturally diverse than soccer in the US? Ha!
January 9th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
“Are you also against hockey, golf, bowling, Ultimate (frisbee), folf, fussball and chess? I’ll bet that you really hate Ultimate. It’s dominated by white liberals who aren’t even great athletes. ”
I see a lot of black chess players playing in public spaces in DC.
I suspect . . . but could be wrong, that blacks are more likely than whites to play chess. Check out the following web-site.
http://www.thechessdrum.net/historicmoments/HM_BlackChess/index.html
January 9th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Soccer in the US will always be an activity dominated by upper middle class white people - both as participants and spectators. The world’s game will always remain the US’ leisure activity as a result. Unlike other US sports - and basketball in particular - soccer just lacks diversity and the athlete’s drive to truly excel.
- It is borderline amazing how ignorant you are…lets count the ways:
I loathe the idea of soccer in the US being considered or respected as a legit sport
1) The reason soccer isn’t played as much in the US and especially the reason soccer isn’t played by kids in the inner-city kids is that there is limited economics incentives for the best athletes in the inner-city to play soccer. If soccer ever became considered a “legit” sport and became more economically viable to focus on soccer it would easily become more popular.
But its too bad you “loathe” that Soccer would be considered a legit sport.
And I’m in no way on baseball’s cultural diversity, what with only an 8.2% African American player make-up.
2) Baseball isn’t culturally diverse because only 8.2% African Americans play baseball. Who the heck knew the AA was the only non-white culture in America. This statement was so amazingly incorrect that I have to assume you would take back something so stupid. Baseball is clearly the most culturally diverse sports in America. AA is just ONE culture. There are many more cultures represented in MLB.
Unlike other US sports - and basketball in particular - soccer just lacks diversity and the athlete’s drive to truly excel
3) Yup…soccer players lack the drive to truly excel. I mean WTF…where on earth do you even think this makes any sense? Because Joe Smith chooses to play soccer instead of basketball it means he lacks a drive to truly excel??
Discrimination has many forms, and is always evolving - from banks redlining loan applicants based on their race to laws being established preventing certain groups of people from marrying to Oakland BART police murdering an African American by holding him face down on the ground and shooting him in the back
4) They sure do…and I’m glad you can speak from experience because you are clearly discriminatory towards anyone who doesn’t fit your extremely misguided tiny view of the world.
- I take what I said earlier back…it isn’t borderline amazing…it is flat out amazing. You seriously might be the most selfishy ignorant person to ever particpate on this blog.
BTW…how does this statement:
I loathe the idea of soccer in the US being considered or respected as a legit sport
and this statement even make sense:
You miss my point entirely. I would be happy to see soccer develop into a great sport of diversity here in the US, but unfortunately, its spent a much longer time getting nowhere in our country in that regard than all of the other sports you cited.
January 9th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
D-G
In that case, Clint should still hate chess because there is still an ethnic imbalance among its players.
Regardless of the actual ethnic distribution among chess players, I simply selected a few competivite activities as examples to point out how extreme Clint’s opinion is.
It’s supposed to be kind of funny so you can laugh if you want to.
January 9th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
“I simply selected a few competivite activities as examples to point out how extreme Clint’s opinion is.”
Well, I am a very extreme person. I uprooted my wife and dog and moved us to downtown Tacoma just so we wouldn’t have to live in a city that peed away its NBA team and have to risk giving that moronic city any more tax money.
Save These KD & Green-led Sonics or Bust (move to Tacoma to cut down on commute times to Blazers games)!
January 9th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
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January 9th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Back to the Atkins for Petro trade….
This is a terrible trade for OKC - I have no idea what Presti was thinking. Swapping a #2 for a #1 pick helps them - but not much as Denver’s pick will be late in first round. Petro would have been off the roster this summer - now they have Atkins for 3.5 million still next year and he is worthless - just adds salary to their situation this summer. They arn’t winning anything this year anyway.
Weird - maybe Presti just really wants another #1 pick this June?
Neither player is worth anything - so it’s about salary, contract length & draft picks. Bad trade by Thunder.
January 10th, 2009 at 12:27 am
Clint’s comments, which range from:
I loathe the idea of soccer in the US being considered or respected as a legit sport
to:
You miss my point entirely. I would be happy to see soccer develop into a great sport of diversity here in the US, but unfortunately, its spent a much longer time getting nowhere in our country in that regard than all of the other sports you cited.
to:
Unlike other US sports - and basketball in particular - soccer just lacks diversity and the athlete’s drive to truly excel
to:
And I’m in no way on baseball’s cultural diversity, what with only an 8.2% African American player make-up.
Does nothing but prove just how extremely ignorant he is…
Wait he is “loathe” for soccer to become mainstream…
But, don’t get him wrong he’d love for it to develop into a great sport…
On the other hand, its ok…anyone who plays soccer lacks the drive to truly excel. Because ummm either he is saying that people who choose not to play a sport that “could” pay them millions of dollars doesn’t truly want to excel…or that somehow these middle class families he talks about don’t want to excel…or else they’d play basketball.
Besides…it is a good thing African American (the ONLY diverse cultural group in America apparently) don’t play soccer we wouldn’t want to think they didn’t drive to excel.
January 10th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
That’s why I say Clint reminds me of “Will in Seattle”. Not because their points of view are the same but rather their posts tend to defy logic. Will shows the very same whacked out inconsistencey
January 11th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
“This is a terrible trade for OKC - I have no idea what Presti was thinking. Swapping a #2 for a #1 pick helps them - but not much as Denver’s pick will be late in first round. Petro would have been off the roster this summer - now they have Atkins for 3.5 million still next year and he is worthless - just adds salary to their situation this summer. They arn’t winning anything this year anyway.”
I thought Atkins was in the last year of his deal. If thats the case than this isn’t a terrible trade.
January 12th, 2009 at 10:29 am
They’re going to deal Watson and they needed a legit backup PG for after he’s gone. The trade will make a lot more sense if a Watson deal can be made.
Speaking of Watson… how about a good Luke vs. Earl debate? I’d have to say Luke is having the more successful season.
January 12th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
“Besides…it is a good thing African American (the ONLY diverse cultural group in America apparently) don’t play soccer we wouldn’t want to think they didn’t drive to excel.”
Myk,
The NBA has more players, managers, execs, and owners from more cultures (beyond African American) all over the world than any other sport in the US.
You’re a close-minded fool only seeking to stroke your ego. You and your words are worth nothing of value.
But you don’t get it, so please keep writing. After all, my truths become more valid with every one of your ego-stroking lies and ignorance. Luckily for my case - the case of rightness - you continue to showcase your total wrongness on a regular basis on this blog and others for all people to see.
January 12th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
The NBA has more players, managers, execs, and owners from more cultures (beyond African American) all over the world than any other sport in the US.
- Feel free to you know provide evidence for this claim. The overall numbers are clearly not true because the NFL would blow that number out of the water. But good luck.
But you don’t get it, so please keep writing. After all, my truths become more valid with every one of your ego-stroking lies and ignorance. Luckily for my case - the case of rightness - you continue to showcase your total wrongness on a regular basis on this blog and others for all people to see.
- I love how I can take your comments and clearly compare them side by side to one another and yet you say I’m the one who is illogical.
I mean did you really read what you wrote?? Stuff like the one where Soccer players don’t have the drive to excel atheletically is so off the wall that I almost have to give you the benefit of the doubt because no one with at least half a brain would say something like that and actually mean it.
January 12th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
http://www.diversityjobs.com/NBA-has-most-diverse-workforce-again
January 12th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
I’m a hoops fan and all, but soccer/futbal is the greatest sport in the world. Sure, in the US it’s not particularly popular in the inner cities, but in other countries it certainly is. Eventually it will filter down in the US, it’s too good of a sport not to. I mean, basketball didn’t used to be popular in Europe, but look at it now. Same thing could happen with soccer here… and it *IS* happening, believe it or not. Look at Tennis or golf… more and more minorities are playing these sports.
January 12th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Soccer will never be huge in the US for one reasons. None of which has anything to do with race.
1. No breaks. No TV timeouts. Limited advertising.
January 12th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
I actually think your onto something there.
January 12th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
Did anyone catch this blurb in a recent BusinessWeek. Aubrey McClendon lost 1.1 billion in 2008. Makes me wonder what would have happened if the Sonics were forced to stay for 2 more years.
“Aubrey McClendon
Loss this year: $1.1 billion.
The great-nephew of Kerr-McGee (KMG) oil company founder Robert Kerr, Oklahoma born McClendon co-founded Chesapeake Energy (CHK) in 1989 with $50,000. The company grew rapidly through acquisitions in the early 1990s but almost collapsed when natural gas prices later fell.
The 49-year-old McClendon came back even stronger, though. As energy prices rose again in recent years, Chesapeake gobbled up rivals and exploration acreage in emerging natural gas fields in Arkansas and Pennsylvania. McClendon was quick to take out his personal checkbook as well, investing in the Oklahoma Thunder professional basketball team and $39 million worth of lakefront property in Michigan.
When energy prices began to fall in 2008, McClendon got caught short again. Chesapeake began selling some of its fields to reduce debt. The company’s stock kept falling, however, and loans McClendon had taken out, backed by his Chesapeake shares, were called in. In October, McClendon was forced to sell most of his Chesapeake holdings, erasing in one fell swoop a stock position that had been worth $2.2 billion earlier in the year. Imprudent planning turned a gusher into a blowout.”