Draft Thread - For those not at EMP
Posted on Wednesday, June 28th, 2006 at 2:00 pm by Big Chris
For those who cannot make it to the EMP, post your thoughts during and after the draft here. I think the real story line will be who is traded and what moves are made in the draft order over which player is selected where.
June 28th, 2006 at 2:07 pm
Portland trades Sebastian Telfair to Boston for the #7 overall pick in the 2006 NBA Draft.
June 28th, 2006 at 2:20 pm
New threads always get me…
New mock time!
#1 - Bargnani
#2 - Aldridge
#3 - Brewer
#4 - Morrison
#5 - Roy
#6 - Thomas
#7 - Shelden Williams
#8 - Foye
#9 - Gay
#10 - Carney
June 28th, 2006 at 2:29 pm
Telfair is going to be a fantastic point guard.
Looks like the Blazers are gunning after Morrison AND Roy.
If Roy is gone by 7th pick, looks for Foye to be going to Portland IMO. THey now need a point guard
June 28th, 2006 at 2:31 pm
“If Roy is gone by 7th pick, looks for Foye to be going to Portland IMO. THey now need a point guard ”
With Jack and Blake on their roster, what makes you think they need a 3rd PG. The reason the Blazer’s traded Telfair was because he was having trouble beating out Jack and Blake and was thus expendable.
June 28th, 2006 at 2:32 pm
So far a little disappointed in Locke’s blog. Nothing since 10:30? I thought he was supposed to be blogging from 1pm from the war room? Oh well…
Sure sounds like there is a lot of jockeying for position in the first 8 picks. Unfortunately for the Supes it seems like that is the real teir drop off….I guess I would like to see the Supes make 1 big trade….ditch Shard. Maybe trade Shard for a top 6 pick. Then trade number 10 to Memphis for Battier. Then use the top 6 pick on best player available, but preference to Thomas, Gay or Morrison (small forwards)….with Gay and Morrison being the top choices for bench scoring. I think that could really change the complexion of the team in a positive way.
June 28th, 2006 at 2:34 pm
Ok..my bad..they changed the address for the Live blog from his old blog. Dumb. But I found it.
June 28th, 2006 at 2:56 pm
Locke’s blog (for those interested) is:
http://www.nba.com/sonics/news/06draftlive.html
Big Chris
June 28th, 2006 at 2:58 pm
Locke: “From what I have heard around the NBA the Blazers traded Theo Ratliff, Sebastian Telfair to Boston for the 7th pick, Raef LaFrentz and Dan Dickau.”
June 28th, 2006 at 2:59 pm
LaFrentz probably spaces court better with Randolph.
June 28th, 2006 at 3:04 pm
I have to say that for some fans having Locke around might really help the PR problems that the Sonics have had. Based on what he has said it sounds like he is going to try as hard as possible to make people who follow him feel as if they are apart of the action…too bad that drive will probably miss the casual fan who has already made up his mind.
June 28th, 2006 at 3:09 pm
I have to say it is extremely refreshing to have a “media” person covering the supes who is clearly a fan first, but also knowledgable about the game in general. It gets so tiresome to have either cynics or morons be the conduit to the team.
June 28th, 2006 at 3:25 pm
Seems unlikely Sonics compete for him right now but Memphis article suggests Battier is available for trade.
June 28th, 2006 at 3:35 pm
Yeah, that’s why I brought it up…Memphis trying to move up and dangling Battier. I think they want to get much higher than 10 though.
Sounds like Supes are going to go conservative and simply move down a few spots (Phily) and take probably Sene. Maybe Shawne Williams. Not sure what they can get for sliding down 3 spots. Probably cash…maybe future 2. Or maybe a move up in the second round.
June 28th, 2006 at 3:45 pm
Battier for just a draft pick would have to involve a trade exception.
June 28th, 2006 at 3:51 pm
Battier and more for Lewis and whatever might work.
June 28th, 2006 at 3:55 pm
“Battier and more for Lewis and whatever might work. ”
Call me crazy, but I wouldn’t trade Lewis for Battier straight up, let alone adding more from our side. Matter of fact, they’d have to add quite a bit from their side to get me to consider that transaction.
June 28th, 2006 at 3:56 pm
Ah, I didn’t see the “and more” from their side, but my basic premise would still be they’d have to add ALOT more and I wouldn’t consider adding much to Lewis.
June 28th, 2006 at 4:05 pm
david locke just updated his blog, and said “my guess is sonics pick saer sene at the 13th position”….so Philly got 13th….a trade? please…no money or whatever…we want a player like you know A.I. ;p
June 28th, 2006 at 4:06 pm
yeah, if the Sonics trade down from #10 to #13 and only get money I’ll be sorely disappointed.
June 28th, 2006 at 4:08 pm
The more would probably have to be Warrick or Jake T. (who had a pretty good year- 5pts 4 reb s in 14 minutes, 60%FG, good defense, won his counterpart matchup, +7 on/off, PER17)
June 28th, 2006 at 4:12 pm
Jake T. one year remaining at $2.9 million.
With Wright a free agent this summer does Jerry west re-sign him or keep JakeT or go after somebody else?
June 28th, 2006 at 4:12 pm
Breaking news from Locke: Portland has acquired the #2 pick. Expectation is they will take Morrison with the #2 pick of the draft. I will try to do a quick evaluation of what this means for the Sonics.
June 28th, 2006 at 4:13 pm
“Andy Katz is reporting a possible #13 and $3M cash from Philly to Seattle for the #10 pick….. not done deal yet but moving toward happening”….hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
the more i think…the more “ok” it is…3 million is actaully quite a lot
June 28th, 2006 at 4:14 pm
Jake T. this year career best TS%, reb rtg, and PER 5 higher than ever before
June 28th, 2006 at 4:16 pm
Jake T just turned 27. 7′2 285
June 28th, 2006 at 4:16 pm
“Breaking news from Locke: Portland has acquired the #2 pick. Expectation is they will take Morrison with the #2 pick of the draft. I will try to do a quick evaluation of what this means for the Sonics.”
oh wow…..the new blazers team are gonna get plenty of rookies next year
June 28th, 2006 at 4:19 pm
Portland gets #2 for what?
June 28th, 2006 at 4:30 pm
I admit I would be a bit dissapointed to see the Sonics sell the pick for $3 million. I’ve always said that the Sonics aren’t cheap and that might damage my argument a little bit. I look at that situation as a little different than getting money when you dump a player like Flip, cause in that situation you were going to dump Flip anyways.
June 28th, 2006 at 4:37 pm
I hope they don’t sell the pick as well. I have argued the Supes are cheap and this would confirm it. We’ll have to wait and see but it leaves me with a sick feeling that some wealthy team can play us for $, like the Royals…. Hopefully it’s not true. It’s Brewer for me….
June 28th, 2006 at 4:40 pm
I trust the Sonics to make a good move, whatever it is.
When was the last time they made a horrible decision?
June 28th, 2006 at 4:41 pm
I like Battier, but they would have to put a little something extra in the pot to trade for Rashard imo.
June 28th, 2006 at 4:48 pm
If Portland gets Aldridge for #4 and Khrypa that sounds good for them.
June 28th, 2006 at 4:51 pm
Locke: “The Grizzlies will give up Mike Miller to Houston for the 8th pick and Houston is sending Juwan Howard to the Grizzlies.”
Battier staying put.
June 28th, 2006 at 4:53 pm
Gasol likely to play more center though Howard can do that too.
June 28th, 2006 at 4:57 pm
Morison in Charlotte, Gerald Wallace can take the tougher wing to cover.
June 28th, 2006 at 4:58 pm
i think the philly deal will probably happen, and i am not very sure about the 3 million cash thing. sonics will probably persue for samuel dalembert. just my thoughts.
June 28th, 2006 at 5:04 pm
haha…hawks did pick shelden williams for their 5th pick!!!
June 28th, 2006 at 5:05 pm
Locke pegged the first 5 picks perfectly.
June 28th, 2006 at 5:08 pm
Dammit, they bettern not take Sene!!
June 28th, 2006 at 5:09 pm
Now 6 for 6 as is draftexpress. 7 is the tiebreaker. Locke has Foye dx has Gay
June 28th, 2006 at 5:11 pm
If Portland takes Gay they should move Miles. I’ll guess that.
June 28th, 2006 at 5:16 pm
There are still 4 great players available, and we are 4th. Gay, Carney, Foye, Brewer.
June 28th, 2006 at 5:20 pm
Foye to Portland a bit of a surprise to me, but workable.
PG Foye Blake
SG Dixon Jack
Webster more at SF
June 28th, 2006 at 5:24 pm
Locke trips up going away from Gay at 8
June 28th, 2006 at 5:26 pm
Locke: “What Are the Blazers Doing?”
giving Nate who he wants is my guess with the moves so far.
June 28th, 2006 at 5:26 pm
We either get Carney or Brewer. Sounds like a win to me.
June 28th, 2006 at 5:31 pm
No O’Bryant, what are we gonna do?? Please trade.
June 28th, 2006 at 5:31 pm
Now we are on the clock. We can have either Carney or Brewer
June 28th, 2006 at 5:31 pm
Please Carney.
June 28th, 2006 at 5:33 pm
Brewer, Carney, Trade, or Armstrong. I’ll be happy with any of those options.
June 28th, 2006 at 5:33 pm
CARNEY CARNEY CARNEY
June 28th, 2006 at 5:34 pm
My prediction is Brewer.
June 28th, 2006 at 5:36 pm
I’m going to find a bridge to jump off of.
June 28th, 2006 at 5:37 pm
Dammit they took Sene.
June 28th, 2006 at 5:38 pm
They better trade him.
June 28th, 2006 at 5:38 pm
gag
The Seattle FO better know what they’re doing
June 28th, 2006 at 5:39 pm
If I was at the EMP, I would have ordered two shots of Cyanide and O.J.
June 28th, 2006 at 5:40 pm
…… wtf saer sene
June 28th, 2006 at 5:40 pm
What the F#EK????
June 28th, 2006 at 5:41 pm
If they keep him, they should trade somebody. How many under 21 7 footers do you need?
June 28th, 2006 at 5:41 pm
there was alot of talent there simmons, brewer, and williams…. and the FO takes the guy who will not play for the next 2 years awesome
June 28th, 2006 at 5:42 pm
Robert Swift, Johan Petro, Saer Sene . . . ???
IDIOTS!!!
June 28th, 2006 at 5:42 pm
Trade him to Utah?
June 28th, 2006 at 5:42 pm
sene?????????
not brewer,cerney,simmons????
June 28th, 2006 at 5:43 pm
Newell-LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
F this. Man, they (FO) know more than I do, but sh#t, man. 3 centers, three years? I dunno. I’m kinda heated, unless there’s a trade coming. Really though, we don’t need another young big man. We have nothing but young big men. Geez, someone gimme a reason why this makes sense, I beg you.
June 28th, 2006 at 5:43 pm
Hopefully it’s a trade. Return of OO. I hate this pick.
At least they didn’t sell the pick but I still think it’s about the $.
FO give us hope….
June 28th, 2006 at 5:43 pm
Brewer and Carney could still be there at 14
June 28th, 2006 at 5:44 pm
Noooooooooo.
Clearly, we are not interested in winning.
June 28th, 2006 at 5:44 pm
I don’t get it… sure if we didn’t have Swift AND Petro. Sonics have loved drafting project centers but I thought we’d stop now that 2 of the projects appear to be working out!
June 28th, 2006 at 5:45 pm
Brian - shed some light man. We’re strugglin here…
June 28th, 2006 at 5:46 pm
Locke has an explanation on his blog…but I still don’t like it dammit.
June 28th, 2006 at 5:47 pm
I wish I could say I am suprised by this pick but I’m not.
Sene is a very high intrigue player that we can put in the NBDL or leave in europe for a year.
Its more of a safety pick. It also says the Sonics do not think Carney or Brewer were enough of a potential upgrade over Wilkens to draft here. At least compared to the potential of Sene as a center.
Sene would be nice defensive player to just go in and closed down the lane with some time. I expect him to play in the summer league and be evaluated there as to if we sign him now or let him go back to Europe for another year.
June 28th, 2006 at 5:47 pm
B rob, Steve, someone have some insight please….I hope it’s not the obvious…….
June 28th, 2006 at 5:48 pm
SONICS TAKE SENE
Posted at 5:19p.m. by David
The Sonics are keeping the pick.
Sonics On The Clock
Posted at 5:19p.m. by David
The other hot discussion is the Sonics trading down to the 13th pick where they likely could still get Sene with the 13th pick
Back to back posts within one minute saying different things.
Is “The Sonics are keeping the pick.” your final answer?
June 28th, 2006 at 5:50 pm
Drafting Saer Sene is not only going to piss of the smart fans, for it’s also going to cause the casual fans to think “what the f*ck?” and that’s not a good thing.
Hell, smart fans would’ve loved Ronnie Brewer or Rodney Carney, while casual fans would’ve loved J.J. Redick; yet, as it is, Howard Schultz, Wally Walker, and Rick Sund, amongst others, decided to draft another f*ckin’ project.
In my honest opinion, the members of the Seattle Supersonics front office are a bunch of doltish imbeciles.
June 28th, 2006 at 5:51 pm
Too cheap for words… it’s sad for Supes fans but that’s the answer. It would have made more sense to grab the best available player as an asset rather than camp this guy overseas. The 10th pick is too high for that kind of play.
June 28th, 2006 at 5:52 pm
i want climb into a hole n not show my face to my friends…… i already got 2 calls from friends sayin worst pick ever….. the sad thing is i agree
June 28th, 2006 at 5:52 pm
This pick is Yinka Dare re-visited.
June 28th, 2006 at 5:53 pm
I’m praying Phx or Utah saves us here. This must be a joke….
June 28th, 2006 at 5:53 pm
Hell, Damien Wilkins is a small forward, while Ronnie Brewer is a shooting guard; thus, there is no reason for ’sonics management to think that they’d be duplicitous on the roster.
If anything, the superfluousness of Johan Petro and Saer Sene is absolutely obvious to a average guy like me!
June 28th, 2006 at 5:57 pm
I hope the FO reads every one of the responses on this site. They need to know what they’re doing to what remains of their fanbase.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:00 pm
Sene, wow.
I’m not one who says, “I trust the FO, but…”
It seems like a reach for the guy with a reach, but we know it’s a weak draft and maybe this is the guy that works out best at that spot.
KJR’s so caught off guard all they can talk about is Brandon Roy. Figures.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:00 pm
Who does Utah take? Brewer
Trade possible still?
June 28th, 2006 at 6:01 pm
utah pick brewer….
trade?
June 28th, 2006 at 6:01 pm
Yinka Dare, Mamadou N’diaye, Frederic Weis . . . Saer Sene!
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1705406
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/mamadou_ndiaye/?nav=page
http://www.hoopshype.com/interviews/weis_sierra.htm
June 28th, 2006 at 6:02 pm
Wasn’t Utah interested in Sene? Does anyone think a trade with Utah is possible still??
June 28th, 2006 at 6:02 pm
I think Petro might be a 4 at some point behind Wilcox (with Collison traded or not resigned), and maybe Sene’s Robert’s backup?
I’m trying here.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:05 pm
I can almost bite off on that Seanic… still holding out for a last minute Utah trade though
June 28th, 2006 at 6:06 pm
I agree with SpokaneSonicsFan. This pick means the Sonics FO doesn’t think Carney/Brewer etc are prepared to be more than role players. It is true that the NBA is littered with 6′6″ to 6′8″ players with skill sets similar to Brewer and Carney, but it is also littered with first round 7′ stiffs over drafted because they were tall and ambulatory.
I suppose it keeps the heat on Swift and Petro to get better. Only time will tell…
June 28th, 2006 at 6:06 pm
Carney and M Williams are tumbling a little. I wonder if Phoenix gets their man at 21 in Carney without having to trade up? (Wasn’t that who they would have wanted at #10 if the Marion trade was to go through?)
June 28th, 2006 at 6:06 pm
Although I’ve never heard of a team giving up guys to trade down, I’d be willing to package the 40th pick in the 2006 NBA Draft and the 53rd pick in the 2006 NBA Draft along with the draft rights of Saer Sene to the Utah Jazz for the draft rights of shooting guard Ronnie Brewer.
In other news, I like how the Minnesota Timberwolves held Brandon Roy for ransom from the Portland Trailblazers; it was a smart business move on the ‘wolves part.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:07 pm
Good point Seanic, I do like Petro as a big 4 but wow this is hard to swallow right now.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:09 pm
New Orleans now has Hilton Armstron and Simmons.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:10 pm
AK1984,
Think that might come up next time Mac-10 and Casey get to gether for a BBQ???
June 28th, 2006 at 6:11 pm
Sounds like they are keeping him
June 28th, 2006 at 6:12 pm
I can’t even start to fathom their motives. The optimist in me says they like his potential but want to save their money for a FA this summer (I don’t even know if they have the cap room) or are stocking up in advance of a trade. The pessimist in me says Schultz and Walker are cutting their losses, 100% certain that they are selling the team and don’t give four letter slang for intercourse what they are doing.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:13 pm
8 bigs 6 perimeter on roster
June 28th, 2006 at 6:14 pm
“The pessimist in me says Schultz and Walker are cutting their losses, 100% certain that they are selling the team and don’t give four letter slang for intercourse what they are doing.”
If drafting Saer Sene is Howard Schultz and Wally Walker’s way of flipping off the City of Seattle, then they can suck it.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:15 pm
If Shawn Williams is still on the board at #21 for PHX I think Sene could be moved. I guess we will see.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:15 pm
Move Collison for a small forward?
June 28th, 2006 at 6:16 pm
What makes it tough for me is if he doesn’t even make the roster this year. I don’t see how you can take a 10th pick and get a guy that won’t be on the roster. If we don’t see him in a Sonics uni this year I think this will be a pretty frustrating pick. If he’s actually on the team, even on the bench, working with Sikma in practice, I can buy it a bit more. Not that I am against sending guys back to Europe to work on their game but I don’t think you do that with a lotto pick. Lotto picks are for players that can be on an NBA roster, period.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:16 pm
I’m angry.
This is getting ridiculous. We obviously are not interested in winning. My draft strategy would be to draft the best player available. We didn’t do that. Another strategy is to draft based on need. We didn’t do that.
I pray that this pick was for another team. But I can’t see PHX wanting that guy. Does any other team have an interest in him. I pray that we took this guy for Utah.
The ONLY reason I can see for us taking Sene is to SAVE MONEY. I think we drafted this guy with the sole intention of not having to pay him and to keep him in Europe. It looks to me like our organization is trying to keep down the price tag so that we can be SOLD.
I would have rather had:
Carney
Brewer
Redick (and I hate his guts)
Sefollosha
Hilton Armstrong
Marcus Williams
Rondo
the list goes on and on…..
I cannot even describe in words how upset I am. I haven’t been this angry in a while.
Can’t wait till my next dissappointment of the offseason when, I’m saying it now, we do not match an offer for Wilcox.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:16 pm
I don’t think this kid is getting traded. They are playing the numbers game; stockpiling centers so that 1 or 2 of the 3 turn out.
What I find frustrating is that the team needs athletic perimeter defender and it seemed that some were available.
Let’s see how it turns out … in 3 years.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:16 pm
Rick Sund just said on KJR that they intend to have him on the roster this coming year, and not in the D league or overseas.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:17 pm
My bad, ShawnE Williams.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:17 pm
Brian, Steve and a host of others are at EMP, probably scratching their collective heads just as we are. Locke appears to be pretty convinced prior to the pick that Sene was a strong likelihood to be picked by the Sonics. It’ll be interesting to see how this turns out. My initial reaction wasn’t so much a surprize as it was a surprize they didn’t trade down and make this same pick. Locke mentioned on the Sonics blog that he thought they may be moving to #13 and making this same pick. I suppose there wasn’t anything interesting coming back to the Sonics to cause them to move down and risk loosing both of the players who were still on their “want” board. I don’t expect that we see Sene this year, but barring injury I don’t think he’ll be any less productive than was Mikki Moore this past season (and that’s not a dig on Moore). With Johan and Robert developing, you have the chance to bring Sene along, and have someone as a backup plan if things don’t work out. No this is not me convincing myself this is a good pick. It might turn out to be a turd. But the Sonics front office have been surprizingly good in their decisions the past few years, and for now, I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt.
Big Chris
June 28th, 2006 at 6:18 pm
Sund said bob Hill had interest in shotblocking. Chasing shotblocking seems dangerous to me. Leaving bigs and them getting dunks happened too much this year and Sene will be more of the same.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:19 pm
I’m embarrassed. Did anyone else see Fran Frashilla(sp) laughing at our pick?
June 28th, 2006 at 6:19 pm
Damn Bird and his solid basketball moves. Looks like Sene is all ours.:(
June 28th, 2006 at 6:21 pm
Chris, they are not at the EMP scratching their heads, they are slammin’ em back with a fury.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:23 pm
“Rick Sund just said on KJR that they intend to have him on the roster this coming year, and not in the D league or overseas.”
That at least, is good to hear. The ESPN guy talking about us saving some dough and sending him overseas made my stomach churn. The 10th pick is a purpose pick, you should try to get some help. Late first round, second round, I can see sending those guys overseas…
June 28th, 2006 at 6:23 pm
At this point in time, Sund might as well package Danny Fortson and Mikki Moore in a trade to either the New York Knicks for Maurice Taylor or the Indiana Pacers for Austin Croshere.
As it is, there’s no need for Moore on the ’sonics with the selection of Saer Sene, while Fortson just needs to get the hell out of the Pacific Northwest.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:23 pm
That’s my guess too, that or possibly vomiting in the parking lot. Again, I’m going to wait and see, but I am decidedly NOT excited by this pick. But sometimes the right move is not the exciting move.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:23 pm
Utah could very well play Brewer 20+ minutes at SG
June 28th, 2006 at 6:23 pm
When the Sonics picked Swift it was as a player they said would be a top lottery pick in a year or two. Most of us trusted them and Swift looked pretty good this year under Hill as coach.
I see Sene in the same light. In the his video highlights someone posted a here earlier he looked more athletic than the average center. Then with those gorilla arms he can block shots most 7 footers could never reach. Sene basically needs to be looked at as a highschool project player with high potential that will not cost us much if he turns into a bust.
This was a swing at the fences pick as we have decent depth. The Sonics call if a fear pick (afraid to draft him and afraid to not draft him). We want a great starter and a great backup. The Sonics said with 3 young centers they expect to fill these 2 needs.
As a long time Sonics homer I choose to trust this pick for now. I hope we get a solid player like Brewer/Carney with our #40 pick.
If we draft a center next year then I will start to wonder what hypnosis techniques Sikma is using on the rest of the front office.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:25 pm
For those who are following this thread, if you get stuck in moderation I’ll try to catch it fairly regularly. The WordPress system is pretty quick for moderation, but I have some other stuff I’m taking care of while trying to keep up with the draft. So be patient, and barring extremely foul language I’ll pass your post through with limited editing
Big Chris
June 28th, 2006 at 6:26 pm
True on roster spots… if he trully is on the roster this year it makes fitting a veteran big on the roster, Mikki, or someone else pretty tough.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:26 pm
Heck - take another swing for the fences here. I feel pretty good that Swift is going to be a damn good center. Petro, my only concern is attitude - he has plenty of talent. He strikes me as a bit soft.
Sounds like Sene has a great motor and mean streak on the court. Crazy to think he couldn’t even run a layup drill two years ago and he’s now dominating the Nike hoops summit. He hit some mid-ranges, dropped in a few hook shots and hit some free throws. That is pretty amazing progress in two years. One block he was up in the other guy’s grill talking Senegalese sh*t to him - have to like that attitude.
None of the guys on the board would break the rotation for more than maybe 10 per game - i.e. zero impact on next year’s results. This is not a budget move - he’ll be getting paid over here next season.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:26 pm
In a great twist of irony, my post about working on the moderated posts managed to get itself into moderation. Go figure!
Big Chris
June 28th, 2006 at 6:31 pm
nbadraft.net is reporting that Seattle may trade Saer Sene (#10) to Phoenix for Leonardo Barbosa and pick 21
June 28th, 2006 at 6:32 pm
This is the 10th pick in the NBA draft. To pick a guy and park him overseas to save a few bucks is beyond belief. I wasn’t on board entirely with Swift and Petro but could see the logic. This seems like they simply didn’t know what else to do. I’m sickened after all the talk, build up and excitement that this is what we’ve done with the 10th overall pick. It’s a slap in the face of Paul Pierce.
I said before the draft if they drafted this guy I’d be disappointed but never really thought they would with such a high pick. I still can’t believe it and pray for a trade……………….some one save us.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:33 pm
“In the his video highlights someone posted a here earlier he looked more athletic than the average center.”
“the his?” “a here?”
Someone else drinking during the draft?
Given the news, I thought Sonics fans might want a re-post of the Sene footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6Ho_dsWHvk&search=saer%20sene
June 28th, 2006 at 6:33 pm
“nbadraft.net is reporting that Seattle may trade Saer Sene (#10) to Phoenix for Leonardo Barbosa and pick 21″
It would make sense I pray it’s true…..
June 28th, 2006 at 6:34 pm
So are Luke and Earl going to push the ball enough to give value to all the big men “who run like a deer”? Are they going to get the stops and rebounds to start those breaks? Deer dont get tough rebounds or stops.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:37 pm
If Sund thinks Sene is going to be on the roster this season, do you all think that Swift or Petro are on the trading block?
–Kori
June 28th, 2006 at 6:39 pm
Yes, I recall all the Sene to Phx rumors. I’m hoping against all hope that there is a trade.
How is Marcus Williams falling this far?
Can we get him at 40?
June 28th, 2006 at 6:41 pm
“he can fall down on the court like a cat, not heavily like most big man …”
I’m glad our tenth pick resulted in a player who hits the floor with grace.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:41 pm
sounds way too good to me right now unless we give up more to them
“Seattle wants barbosa in the event that they are able to move Ray Allen, possibly to Toronto.”
that part sounds recycled, so is the first part any better? dont know. probably not.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:41 pm
Both Robert Swift (Net Efficiency Rating: -6.6, On-Court/Off-Court +/-: -0.6, & Roland Rating: -4.6) and Johan Petro (Net Efficiency Rating: -10.3, On-Court/Off-Court +/-: -3.9, & Roland Rating: -8.2) were flat-out awful last season.
Okay, sure, Swift made progress from when he was a rookie and Petro wasn’t completely useless, but they both were so raw that it hurt the team.
At any rate, though, there is no need for Saer Sene on the Seattle Supersonics. In the end, ultimately, Sene is going to hinder the ’sonics in not only the present, but also the near and distant future.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:41 pm
Looks like the Suns are trading #21 to the Celtics.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:42 pm
Sorry about that GreenN_Gold,
That’s what happens when trying to type, watch the draft, and being distracted by my kids and I forget to proof-read before submitting my comment. Unfortunately I am fully sober right now. At least it was readable for the most part.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:43 pm
So much for Barbosa and #21 for Sene… Phx just picked Rondo for Boston
June 28th, 2006 at 6:45 pm
What’s up with Marcus Williams? Why is everyone avoiding him like the plague?
June 28th, 2006 at 6:47 pm
Well, Phoenix does have the #27 pick also. Maybe they’ll do Barbosa and the #27 pick for Sene and ???
June 28th, 2006 at 6:47 pm
I assume some combo of physical combine results, character issues
June 28th, 2006 at 6:49 pm
Ok - 14% body fat (for Marcus Williams) is a tad high. LOL. But he’s so young that he should be able to shed the extra lbs pretty quickly.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:49 pm
Well, Phoenix does have the #27 pick also. Maybe they’ll do Barbosa and the #27 pick for Sene and ???
Interestingly, the original Phx rumors did involve the 27th pick, not the 21st.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:50 pm
‘do you all think that Swift or Petro are on the trading block?”
Nope not for at least a year
June 28th, 2006 at 6:51 pm
We’ll maybe it’s the best of both worlds. We stash a guy overseas for free and we assure ourselves a good draft pick in the tlaent heavy draft of 2007
June 28th, 2006 at 6:51 pm
Marcus Williams is officially the Big Faller, all the way to 22 from as high as top 5 projections.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:52 pm
Josh Boone @ 23? Hmm, that seems quite a bit higher than I recall seeing him projected.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:53 pm
Share your thoughts with the FO. Let them know how the people buying tickets feel…
fans@sonics-storm.com
June 28th, 2006 at 6:53 pm
Are there any other foreign project centers we can get at #40? We might as well. That or I expect us to pick a solid player and then trade him immediately.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:54 pm
It was the 10th pick in a weak draft. I’m much more concerned with the Chris Wilcox negotiations. And I have to says I trust the Sonics scouting dept.after the past few years, so if they think this guy can be a Mutumbo then I say it’s worth a shot, considering what else was on the board. I’ll give the the benefite of the doubt until they prove otherwise. And, yes, they still need to pay the guy so I don’t see how this is a “cheap” or “money saving” pick.
To be honest, I didn’t see how Brewer or Carney would crack the rotation anyway with Damien Wilkens and Jelly Ball comin’ over — that’s 10 deep, and from the scouting reports I’ve heard, Jelly Ball is the athletic slasher / defender that someone like Brewer or Carney might have been.
Since Foye and Gay were off the board, I’m fine with this guy even if we stash him in Europe for a year.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:55 pm
There are a ton of nice PF’s left that can’t all fit into the remainder of the first round.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:57 pm
between here and 40
James White
or Alexander Johnson
or Farmar or Rodriguez would have some appeal
by whatever method
June 28th, 2006 at 6:58 pm
We were the worst defensive team in the league weren’t we?
We picked a defensive player.
Seattle didn’t have a center for how many years? We’re making up for lost time.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:59 pm
Sene in his video seemed patient as a shotblocker and didnt reach in.
I assume one strategy folks might try is pumpfake and try to draw those long arms
but hopefully he avoids that ploy
June 28th, 2006 at 7:00 pm
I agree with your post KD.
It’s easy to forget Gelebale coming, or that Damien still has a lot of room for improvement in his game. Is Brandon Roy or Foye really better than Wilkins?
June 28th, 2006 at 7:00 pm
in ‘98, we drafted Stepania, Jelani McCoy and Rashard. Only one panned out….I hope one of our 3 picks this year becomes an all-star, regardless of which one.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:02 pm
Is Gelabale coming for sure? Or is he still negotiating a buyout?
To me, he’s very similar to Damien in size/style.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:02 pm
When you have the 10th pick in any draft, weak or not, you have to get one of the ten best players in that draft. You have to lose a lot of games to get a 10th pick, you better get something good for those losses. Hopefully we did.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:02 pm
A Qoute from Bob Hill on Locke’s blog about Sene: “We have no plans of sending him to Europe. You can etch that in granite. We have every plan of getting him on the court as soon as possible and getting his development started.”
June 28th, 2006 at 7:03 pm
I just hope one of them is a 15 minute player in 3 years
June 28th, 2006 at 7:04 pm
Kori, everything I’ve read seems like Galebale is about 85% for sure coming next year. Not a sure thing, but very likely.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:04 pm
Gelabale negotiations still very early.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:05 pm
But likely as Joe says, especially after not drafting perimeter
June 28th, 2006 at 7:05 pm
Is Brandon Roy or Foye really better than Wilkins?
I didn’t watch enough of Foye to say for sure, but I’d say Roy > Damien Wilkins. Roy has a playmaking/passing dimension to his game that is far more advanced than Wilkins. Roy’s defense is on par (if not slightly better) than Wilkins. I’d also argue that Roy is a better perimeter shooter. The only place where I see Damien having an advantage is with the inside/slash-to-the-hoop game.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:06 pm
and Sonics boasting today about Gelabale being equal to a late 1st rounder this year
June 28th, 2006 at 7:08 pm
In 98 all of our picks were quite low… one late first and two fairly early seconds. So even one panning out is ok. It turned out great with RL becoming such a good player. If you have a lotto pick, the expectations should be much higher. On draft day, people shouldn’t be scratching their heads. If they are, you better not be wrong. Having said that, Seattle has drafted well generally, so hopefully this one works out.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:08 pm
Uhhh, attention Flip Murray: Your performance in the playoffs was abysmal, therefore we will not pay you big this offseason, and instead are drafting Shannon Brown. We hear that there are openings in Idaho.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:08 pm
“theSonicsMan Says:
June 28th, 2006 at 7:02 pm
When you have the 10th pick in any draft, weak or not, you have to get one of the ten best players in that draft. You have to lose a lot of games to get a 10th pick, you better get something good for those losses. Hopefully we did. ”
On the blog, Hill said he blocks shots as well as the other guys do what they do. I brought this up earlier talking about Bobby Jones.
That’s valuable.
Defense wins championships, yet when we draft defense, we all get worried about the pick.
Now we should get a shooter with our next pick.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:10 pm
Portland’s backcourt has drastically improved….Jarret Jack, B-roy, Dixon and Blake. There was a serious logjam with Sebastian T.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:10 pm
I’d love to see them nab Bobby Jones with their 2nd second round pick (#53).
June 28th, 2006 at 7:11 pm
Take David Noel.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:13 pm
14 more picks before we pick again….Ager hasn’t been picked, James White, Gansey, Hassan Adams???? Give me somethin’
June 28th, 2006 at 7:14 pm
If Sene is 14th player and Gelabale is 15, then moving Fortson or somebody else is necessary for anyone else to make team
June 28th, 2006 at 7:14 pm
I think that Sene was a good pick for the Sonics. Obviously they tried to trade down to get him later and that just didn’t work out. So they picked the player they wanted though it might have been early.
I watched a lot of video of him and he seems to be further developed than the center the Spurs drafted last year (Ian Mahinmi) who is about the same age.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:15 pm
If they keep Wilks and Felix
June 28th, 2006 at 7:16 pm
Portland just made another trade and drafted a 6th grader from Longfellow Elementary in Dallas Texas.
3 first round picks for the Blazers. Wow, that’s out of control. They’re building it right. In about 5 years, they should be pretty good.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:19 pm
“princess21 Says:
June 28th, 2006 at 7:14 pm
I think that Sene was a good pick for the Sonics. ”
I do too Kori. I understand the reaction–I felt the same as most here, but he has the type of skills we need.
“I watched a lot of video of him and he seems to be further developed than the center the Spurs drafted last year (Ian Mahinmi) who is about the same age. ”
But we used the 10th pick on him. That’s why the obvious reaction.
Do you have time to make a few more comments on what you’ve seen when reviewing his video?
June 28th, 2006 at 7:20 pm
“I watched a lot of video of him and he seems to be further developed than the center the Spurs drafted last year (Ian Mahinmi) who is about the same age.”
Is that supposed to be inspiring? Notice how in the highlight reel on utube that all his dunks are uncontested. Sene is raw as raw can be. The guy has only played for 2-3 years from my understanding. We need help now. This pick does nothing for us.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:20 pm
3 young centers splitting time dont post big numbers and perhaps keep next contract pricetags down some.
Swift 20, Petro 20 Sene 8 minutes a game?
June 28th, 2006 at 7:23 pm
That’s just it. You don’t blow the 10th pick on a project. Sene is a project. I’m sure Sene looks like the 2nd coming of Mutumbo when compared to whatever scrubs he’s dunking on in the video.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:25 pm
We run the risk of not having enough practice reps for the all the centers.
I think Petro works well as a 4 if Nick’s going to bolt or be traded.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:25 pm
They have to re-sign Wilcox. And three low price rookie contract centers may allow them to pay his price.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:27 pm
When they just announced Mardy Collins to the Knicks, I first thought that they were going to announce “Marty Conlon” instead. LOL!
June 28th, 2006 at 7:28 pm
Ager is a very solid pick for Dallas. The rich get richer.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:29 pm
So we need help now. Maybe another team would trade their veteran center (i.e. Jeff Foster) for our young center (Petro). I think Sene has the one thing that most of these big men lack - fire and competitiveness and a desire to dominate. That’s what we heard from the Sonics and from the Jazz in the workouts - he works his butt off. You could see that from his play in the Nike Hoops Summit game.
I would argue if you added that kind of personality to Jerome James you would have an all-star. The guy had size, good shooting touch and shot blocking instincts. His problem was (and I was concerned when I heard O’Bryant was cooking cheesecake for his teammates) that he could care less about basketball and just wants to have fun spending his money. Biggest challenge for big men is the fact that they can simply be big and get paid millions - why bother playing hard and chasing loose balls?
The guys that have 9-5 standing reaches and chase loose balls into the stands are rare - why not take a chance on one when the other options aren’t likely to help you in the short term?
June 28th, 2006 at 7:34 pm
I understand everyone’s frustration of “blowing” the 10th pick on a project, but obviously the Sonics tried to trade down. Sometimes it just doesn’t work out.
I have seen more than the utube video. There was complete game tape circulating a while back. He’s extremely athletic, a great anticipator in regards to blocked shots, and has started developing some post moves, a baby hook, etc. He runs the floor well and doesn’t look awkward at all. The fact that he has the largest wingspan in the NBA should excite some of you
I mentioned him looking more developed than Mahinmi because they are of a similar mold (Mahinmi is a tad shorter) and Spurs brass/fans extremely excited about his future.
I know that Sonics fans wanted an immediate impact player, but I think that kind of player has to come from free agency/trades not from this draft.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:35 pm
I’m definately not wild about drafting a project at the center position when guys like Brewer and Carney were still on the board………..
….that said his Nike World Summit camp video footage was impressive. Great hustle, solid natural shot blocking footage…even hit a nice free throw line “jumper” and showed a little baby hook in the lane. Though the offense will definately need lots of work.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:36 pm
EsPN is reporting a different spin on one trade:
“Grizzlies gets Swift, rights to Gay from Rockets for Battier
Houston sent the rights to No. 8 Rudy Gay and Stromile Swift to Memphis for Shane Battier.”
June 28th, 2006 at 7:36 pm
So I thought like 1/2 of the teams in the first round were in love with this Alexander Johnson kid out of Florida St. What happened? I think we were one of those teams??? Maybe he falls to us at 43.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:36 pm
Good stuff sonics70.
It’s an easy pick to bag on because of its position (10), but that size and desire?
If we just drafted a 7 foot Reggie Evans with a 9′5″ wing span, we’re all going to be LOVING this pick in two years. Period.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:37 pm
Sene chases loose balls into the stands? Is this based on the video that I have to see or how did you make that determination? If it is on the aforementioned video, how can you be certain that it was the norm for Sene rather than an anomaly? The wingspan cannot be denied and is impressive, but it’s tough to tell just how well he’ll utilize that wingspan until he plays against real competition. Again, I am sure that Sene has some skills. I am sure that he’s in the top 1% (or even half of 1%) in the world, otherwise he would not be drafted by an NBA team. What I’ve read of him gives me the impression that he’s nothing more than a project at this point. I personally expected them to draft a somewhat polished player, and not a project, with the #10 pick.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:39 pm
The Knicks wanted to draft a long term, horrible contract, but the league stepped in and made them take an actual player.
Sene might not be the guy some here wanted, but WE’RE NOT THE KNICKS.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:42 pm
My last post is stuck in moderation for some reason.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:44 pm
you might have said oh s*** the sonics drafted another Center project Kori.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:44 pm
So what are the thoughts on the Sonics next pick (#40, 2nd round)? Who’s it going to be?
June 28th, 2006 at 7:46 pm
Mike Gansey is the best case. David Noel or Bobby Jones would also be nice. Anyone see Alexander Johnson play?
June 28th, 2006 at 7:49 pm
Guys I like in the second round….
Gansey
Bobby Jones
Alexander Johnson
June 28th, 2006 at 7:50 pm
From Yahoo sports:
C: Seattle takes Saer Sene of Senegal. Say that three times fast. The guy is a 7-footer. Are there any guards in Senegal? Fran Fraschilla reports that he averaged three points a game. “Offensively, he has a lot of work to do.” Sounds like it. … The thinking behind the pick seems to be that Seattle can leave him overseas and not pay him. Wow, that ought to thrill the season ticket holders and tax payers who are supposed to build the Sonics a new arena. Can’t imagine why the franchise is in jeopardy.
3 points a game in Belgum. Wow that’s like NCAA division 3. The spinning has begun but with the 10th pick it’s a joke. Paul Pierce was # 10. Especially for a team that has drafted 2 project centers in the last 2 years. Hardly a ringing endorsement for their own prior selections, just need a little backup….. We could have traded down to 20 and picked this guy. Lame. Lame. Lame. Fortunately the Knicks are drafting and taking the heat of us, thanks Isaih
June 28th, 2006 at 7:50 pm
The Sonics should just take Allan Ray at 53 for the novelty of it.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:52 pm
I say we use our second round pick to draft someone who has played no more than 3 years of organized basketball, who tries hard, has size, and averaged 8 pts a game overseas. Oh wait……we used the #10 pick in the draft to do that already.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:53 pm
Guesses for 40:
Tarence Kinsey
Mike Gansey
Bobby Jones
June 28th, 2006 at 7:54 pm
The Sonics should just take Allan Ray at 53 for the novelty of it.
That’d be sweet.. they could give him #43 and really mess with people’s minds.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:54 pm
“I think [Johan] Petro works well as a 4 . . .”
According to 82games.com, Johan Petro didn’t play power forward at all last season.
http://www.82games.com/0506/05SEA19C.HTM
In any case, though, Petro (Player Efficiency Rating: +11.2 & NBA Efficiency Ranking: +7.43) was abysmal last season—there is no denyin’ it!
June 28th, 2006 at 7:56 pm
Hey AK, do you watch basketball or what?
June 28th, 2006 at 7:56 pm
Bobby Jones was drafted by the Minnesota Timberwolves with the 37th pick.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:58 pm
Ok one more pick and we have a shot at Gansey. Please Bucks, do something stupid.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:58 pm
2nd round we should follow the Knicks strategy and pick the same position over and over and over. While the Knicks take guards…..we should stay the course and draft project centers.
Available:
Loukas Mavrokefalidis (Greece)
Pavel Mroz (Sweden)
Cheik Samb (Senegal)
Tang Zhengdong (China)
Thank god GS took Kosta Perovic. Rick Sund and Wally were probably salivating over that guy.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:59 pm
lol.
June 28th, 2006 at 8:00 pm
“Hey AK, do you watch basketball or what?”
Yeah, I watch basketball. As far as I’m concerned, neither Robert Swift nor Johan Petro play good man-to-man defense in the post, as they get backed down due to their inability to guard one-on-one with bigger guys. The only positive quality Petro has on defense is his ability to come across the weakside and contest shots. Swift, on the other hand, is horrid on defense in nearly each and every aspect of it; he’s okay on team defense when he’s not expected to do anything other than rotate along the baseline in a 2-3 zone alignment.
June 28th, 2006 at 8:00 pm
Wow, the Bucks just made the best pick in the last 2 hours. Nice.
June 28th, 2006 at 8:01 pm
I new someone would see the steal that is David Noel.
June 28th, 2006 at 8:01 pm
Gansey is there…………………..Come on! Take him!
They go to commercial……….priceless!
June 28th, 2006 at 8:02 pm
Ya, that should be ‘knew’. Whatever.
June 28th, 2006 at 8:02 pm
It’s Brown.
Big Chris
June 28th, 2006 at 8:03 pm
Gansey would be a nice option at backup 2.
June 28th, 2006 at 8:03 pm
“he’s okay on team defense when he’s not expected to do anything other than rotate along the
baselinelow-post and high-post in a 2-3 zone alignment.”I mixed up the 2-3 zone and 3-2 zone due in part to my anger regarding Saer Sene.
June 28th, 2006 at 8:04 pm
I agree about Mike Gansey.
June 28th, 2006 at 8:04 pm
Denham Brown is a decent selection.
June 28th, 2006 at 8:05 pm
Holy moly. We took a non foreign player with experience? I fully expect this pick to be traded immediately for cash or a future second rounder.
June 28th, 2006 at 8:05 pm
I forgot about Brown. I love the pick. Much better NBA body than Gansey. I hope he can make the team.
June 28th, 2006 at 8:08 pm
AK1984 Says:
Denham Brown is a decent selection.
Only to completely alienate the local fan base.
Remember, this is the guy who hit the 3 to kill UW in the sweet 16.
Not to mention he was only the 5th best player on UCONN.
June 28th, 2006 at 8:08 pm
I really wanted this pick. Brown is a great scorer off the bench. He will make the team. What a great pick! They can now wait for Gelabale to develop. I really like both picks so far. Awesome.
June 28th, 2006 at 8:09 pm
“We took a non foreign player with experience?”
Actually that’s not correct. He’s from Toronto, Canada. ;o)
Brown will be interesting. He’s had some big scoring outbursts during international competitions playing for Canada………suppose to be a decent defender. Hopefully he can stick as the backup SG and provide some offense off the bench.
June 28th, 2006 at 8:09 pm
From nbadraft.net regarding Brown:
“…Once scored 111 points in a high school game …”
June 28th, 2006 at 8:13 pm
But he’s solid, no denying that.
Us UW homers still wont like Brown in the northwest.
The question is, who can we get at 53 to piss off seattle even more? anyone from WSU good and on the board?
June 28th, 2006 at 8:14 pm
JP Batista?
June 28th, 2006 at 8:17 pm
thomas gardner
June 28th, 2006 at 8:27 pm
We should trade the rights for Brown to Golden State for the rights to Kosta Perovic. That way if one of our projects goes down, we will have a backup backup project.
June 28th, 2006 at 8:31 pm
The Seattle Supersonics still need more depth at shooting guard . . . my choice would be for Mike Gansey.
June 28th, 2006 at 8:31 pm
Seanic wrote: “Portland just made another trade and drafted a 6th grader from Longfellow Elementary in Dallas Texas.”
LOL! I’m still laughing over that, Seanic.
June 28th, 2006 at 8:32 pm
“The question is, who can we get at 53 to piss off seattle even more?”
Ray’s really supportive of UConn so picking his backup from there is smart.
How is this guy different from Damien?
June 28th, 2006 at 8:33 pm
I’m guessing we go PF with our last pick.
June 28th, 2006 at 8:36 pm
Kevin Pelton writes: “The Sonics are considering three undersized power forwards right now with their 53rd pick - Oklahoma’s Taj Gray, Louisiana Tech’s Paul Millsap, San Diego State’s Marcus Slaughter.”
June 28th, 2006 at 8:37 pm
So much for PF’s. They took a PG.
Halperin isn’t bad though. Some people think he’s a better version of Beno Udrih.
June 28th, 2006 at 8:39 pm
I wanted the Sonics to get Diaz. Taj Gray would be a nice pick. So would Brandon Bowman, Mike Gansey, Kevin Pittsnogle or Will Blaylock.
June 28th, 2006 at 8:40 pm
Yotam; three foreigners in this draft. I actually had him pegged as a dark horse. A true combo guard at 6′5″. They worked him out last week. Did they ever work out Denham?
June 28th, 2006 at 8:40 pm
Well, Mike Wilks will probably leave as an unrestricted free-agent.
Yotam Halperin should be a decent third-string point guard who can gain experience by playing in the NBDL for a couple of years.
June 28th, 2006 at 8:40 pm
Big point from Israel. I speculated they might do that in the second round awhile ago.
June 28th, 2006 at 8:41 pm
Or Halperin. Awesome pick. He and Brown will be great additions. Great draft!
June 28th, 2006 at 8:42 pm
Draftexpress tried to tout him into the 1st round.
June 28th, 2006 at 8:42 pm
Yotam Halperin. At least he can score in Europe!!!!
June 28th, 2006 at 8:42 pm
supposed to be good at pick and roll
June 28th, 2006 at 8:43 pm
“Halperin’s biggest concern… will be considered his defense”
June 28th, 2006 at 8:44 pm
I don’t think Sene sees more than a 5 minute per game average this season. He’ll be on the bench for a while.
June 28th, 2006 at 8:44 pm
He is not an offensively challenged point.
June 28th, 2006 at 8:45 pm
“We should trade the rights for Brown to Golden State for the rights to Kosta Perovic. That way if one of our projects goes down, we will have a backup backup project.”
LOL. It would make sense especially if Locke were to break it down and let us know how much sense it really made…………….already a company man.
June 28th, 2006 at 8:45 pm
He has experience though, playing 36 minutes a game for 14pts 3.5 assists
June 28th, 2006 at 8:46 pm
playing in Slovenia
June 28th, 2006 at 8:49 pm
“he started season as backup point guard but coach quickly moved him to shooting guard when it became clear he couldnt run the team effectively”
June 28th, 2006 at 8:49 pm
“I don’t think Sene sees more than a 5 minute per game average this season. He’ll be on the bench for a while. ”
He’ll average a two minutes a game–we’ll use him for the opening tip.
June 28th, 2006 at 8:53 pm
Halperin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv8-24fJPLE
* Not many highlights.
June 28th, 2006 at 8:57 pm
“He’ll average a two minutes a game–we’ll use him for the opening tip.”
LOL, that is not a bad strategy.
I agree with the general theme of most posts. Drafting Sene with pick #10 is a huge gamble. But if he does develop an adequate offensive game in 2-3 years, the Sonics will have a defensive monster who will anchor their lineup for a decade. Definitely a high risk, high reward scenario.
June 28th, 2006 at 9:02 pm
Notice how nobody from the Sonics was interviewed by ESPN. There is a reason. We had the worst draft ever. My grade: F
June 28th, 2006 at 9:08 pm
Here’s some comments on Halperin from ESPN Insider regarding his play at Eurocamp …
3. Yotam Halperin, G, 6-5, 199, Israel
Halperin has the best credentials of anyone in the camp. He started this year for Olimpija in the Euroleague this season and averaged 13.9 ppg and 3.5 apg and shot 46 percent from the field.
Halperin is a 6-5 combo guard. He’s an excellent passer and decision-maker who patiently probes the defense looking for the open man. He’s a very good jump shooter with NBA 3-point range, but he really makes his living on the midrange jumper.
Halperin has more experience than anyone else here, and it’s shown in his first two games. He stays calm, doesn’t make mistakes and is a vocal leader both on the floor and in the games. In his second game on Monday, we counted 11 assists in roughly 20 minutes of play.
If there’s a knock on him, it’s that he’s too conservative at times. He hasn’t attacked the basket at times when the defense has given him a seam.
Expect teams to look at Halperin starting in the late first round. More likely, he’ll go somewhere in the second to team like the Hawks (No. 33), Cavs (No. 42), Pacers (No. 45) or Wizards (No. 48).
June 28th, 2006 at 9:13 pm
Some overemotional responses here.
Brewer and Carney weren’t going to crack the rotation anyways. For more read my post, coming up shortly.
For the record I wanted Randy Foye to drop, when he didn’t that sealed the deal between O’Bryant and Sene.
Everyone needs to remember this is the weakest draft class on paper since 2001.
Sene WILL BE A ROTATION PLAYER THIS YEAR according to Bob Hill. Apparently Petro might play some more 4 and I’m cool with that since Nick finds a way to get hurt every year.
June 28th, 2006 at 9:18 pm
Halperin looks somewhat like a shorter Nick Collison with the cropped dark hair and the stubble
June 28th, 2006 at 9:22 pm
Brown seems like a pretty good choice. Give him a fair shake in summer league and training camp of course.
If they end up with no room on the roster maybe they urge him to go to europe or might trade his rights to Toronto.
June 28th, 2006 at 9:24 pm
On the Murray issue, Cleveland also took Daniel Gibson in 2nd round
June 28th, 2006 at 9:30 pm
Agree, Brown in the 2nd round is a good choice.
Halperin, meh. He’s the 53rd pick in the draft… if the guy ever makes an NBA roster, the pick is a success.
June 28th, 2006 at 9:37 pm
Brown in physical combine just a little above the median overall. Court sprint he was close to upper 25%, agilty smack in middle and being a perimiter guy that later score is a little disappointing.
June 28th, 2006 at 9:39 pm
Bob Hill or otherwise, I really have a hard time believing Sene’s even in Seattle all that much next year; though given how fast he’s said to be progressing, I can see why Hill might think so. Still, in the last analysis, I have to think Sene spends most of the year in Idaho. A year or two down the line, though, if we have three legitimate NBA starting centers — which Sene looks like he could be by then, on the defensive side — this could pay off in a big way.
I really like our second-round picks, though. I’d guess Brown winds up in the D-League as well, but he has the potential to be a useful rotation player, and I *really* like Halperin — he looks to me like an ideal third guard, which will make him a good backup to Ray. I wouldn’t guess he’s a long-term replacement (that would depend on his ability to create his own shot, and on his willingness to step up and assert himself), but he seems like a guy who should be a really good 6th/7th man for a decade or so.
June 28th, 2006 at 9:41 pm
From tape Halperin plays with confidence , good handles (but may carry it)
June 28th, 2006 at 9:43 pm
“Bob Hill or otherwise, I really have a hard time believing Sene’s even in Seattle all that much next year; though given how fast he’s said to be progressing, I can see why Hill might think so. ”
Half the battle with young players is having a coach willing to play them … if this was the Nate administration I’d already write this pick off as a lost cause. From everything Hill’s said, he likes developing young centers. Until he screws up at that, I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt.
This pick also speaks volumes about how they feel about Damien and Gelebale and their ability to take over the backup swingman role, so we’ll see how that pans out.
June 28th, 2006 at 9:46 pm
Alex said (paraphrasing): “i can’t believe they took a project at the #10 pick”
I understand how you feel … this draft really was that light on talent though … Paul Pierce is the anomaly folks, you don’t get Paul Pierce with the #10 pick every year … this was in my opinion the worst draft class on paper since 2001.
June 28th, 2006 at 9:58 pm
One on one defensive stats for 7 footers (the thinner version)
Chandler 50% FG allowed for 17 pts
Elson 49% for 15
DJ Mbenga 53% for 20
Swift 59% for 20
Moore 58% for 23
Gasol 47% for 17
S Hunter 53% for 18
Ndong 46% for 19
Dalambert 50% for 18
3 above average- Chandler Gasol have 5 years and Elson is 30
These 2 Sonics look the weakest on D.
The next one? It will take some time but it might pay off.
June 28th, 2006 at 10:06 pm
OK, so if I found out that we just drafted a 7′ Reggie Evans with the 10th pick I would not be happy…This guy is sure getting a lot of credit for playing basketball only three years. I find it completely laughable that the FO and anyone else here can say with a straight face that his talents for sure will translate to the NBA, that he will be a shot blocker etc…he’s played against completely inferior competition and the only way to improve him will be to play him more (this is why Swift started improving…) and well you can’t do that beacuse then it will stunt the growth of Swift and Petro.
Horrible pick…just reenforces the fact that they should have traded out of the draft. This could actually hurt them…not getting anyone would’ve been much better.
Are we sure this isn’t the same guy who was in the Kevin Bacon movie “The Air Up There”??…cause he was pretty good.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109067/
June 28th, 2006 at 10:32 pm
The interesting thing with the pick is how the FO looks at its drafts. This was a move strictly about asset acquistion, and you don’t get that by drafting BPA or drafting to fill a need.
I think you have to assume that Jack Sikma knows what he’s doing with young big men, as he’s shown a knack for getting both Swift and Petro to be farther along in thier development than any of us believed they’d be at this point. Jack coached Sene a couple summers back and ran him through the workouts along with Pendergraft who’d seen him then as well. Both were amazed by the improvement.
As far as trading back to get him, Utah more than likely would have dealt up to 12 to take him had the Supes moved back to 13. They’d have drafted a player they didn’t think was worth the pick to collect cash. That would have really got my blood boiling.
My prediction is that Sene barely plays this year unless there is an injury to either Swift or Petro, but that they’ll have him ready to go if needed. Can’t say I’m overjoyed with the selection, but it more closely follows my draft theories than most other picks would have.
June 28th, 2006 at 10:48 pm
Also, let me say that I was ALWAYS a big proponent of swinging for the fences with big men. I didn’t disagree with the Swift pick or the Petro pick. However, there is a law of diminishing returns where you need minutes to develop a player and he isnt going to get any so whats the point of drafting him?
On top of that, if they truly believe this theory we should get used to it because they should draft a seven footer every year.
June 28th, 2006 at 10:58 pm
“On top of that, if they truly believe this theory we should get used to it because they should draft a seven footer every year.”
That’s the basis of my entire draft theory. You pick spots where other teams need players always. IF I were a baseball GM I’d draft heavily on SS’s and LHP’s. If I were a Football GM I’d be drafting linemen all day long. If I’m a basketball GM, I’d be looking at bigs all day long.
For as much crap as this pick’s gotten, at any point in this up coming season we could go to Phoenix and offer Sene for Barbosa and next years pick and they’d do it in a heartbeat.
I don’t think they really need minutes for him in general. I think between practice and working with the staff he’ll get what he needs. The minutes come when there’s an injury to one of the 4/5’s and Petro needs to shift to the four for a couple games.
End of the year I’d imagine he’ll have racked up maybe 300 minutes total. Maybe they only get him into blowouts, or maybe by the end of the year he gets 5 minute runs when they need a change of pace. I don’t think they make the pick if they honestly thought it would hurt Petro or Swift’s development. Longterm it might be a sign that Collison won’t be back after this coming season.
June 28th, 2006 at 10:59 pm
I think Myk and I are on the same page here as far as Sene playing in Seattle next season; I know Hill said he wanted a D-oriented third center, but I just don’t think there’s the minutes, not if you want Sene to actually develop (unless Swift or Petro goes down, of course). Look at it this way — even if you only give Swift and Petro 20 mpg and Sene 10 mpg, you’re at 50 mpg overall; yes, I know they plan to make Petro the third-string PF, but really, how many minutes do you figure Wilcox and Collison leave on the court? Again, if there’s a major injury, that’s a lot more minutes for Sene — but then, if that happens, you call him up from Idaho.
June 29th, 2006 at 1:28 am
At least 15 internationals drafted after all.
June 29th, 2006 at 5:30 am
No need to trade Moore and Fortson. Expiring contracts. Spend the money on the Sonic players next season.
June 29th, 2006 at 7:23 am
“Remember, this is the guy who hit the 3 to kill UW in the sweet 16.”
It was actually Rashad Anderson who killed us with that three. I remember that game like it was yesterday. I wonder why he didn’t get drafted….or did he?
June 29th, 2006 at 7:41 am
“It was actually Rashad Anderson who killed us with that three. I remember that game like it was yesterday. I wonder why he didn’t get drafted….or did he?”
Yeah, Anderson was the guy that hit the shot.
Wasn’t Brown the guy that hit a couple key shots going down the stretch but then made that stupid drive that led to him picking up his 5th foul with less than 2 minutes to go?
June 29th, 2006 at 11:27 am
Brown is the guy who hit the winner with time running out against Gonzaga in the Maui Invitational.